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Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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PoundlandUK · 15/03/2017 20:11

Apparently Wilders is out of the running in NL elections.

Fingers crossed.

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 20:15

@AP 4m
BREAKING: Netherlands’ main exit poll suggests that anti-Islam firebrand Geert Wilders had unexpectedly poor showing in election.
19 out of 150 seats

@Reuters 4m4 minutes ago
BREAKING: Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte's VVD party wins most seats in parliamentary election, according to first exit poll

Peregrina · 15/03/2017 20:16

I am glad that we have helped the Dutch to see some sense. Got to be grateful for small mercies.

Peregrina · 15/03/2017 20:19

A little bit of fun to cheer you up. Put a lie on the side of the bus
brexitbus.ivotedremain.eu/

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 20:20
Smile
BigChocFrenzy · 15/03/2017 20:24

The reason I think the "light touch" customs 90% waved through would increase drug & human trafficking is that with a WTO Brexit, the UK couldn't just wave E27 trucks through the ports - it would have to wave through trucks from all over the world.

What do you think, Misti ?
I know WTO deals mainly with tariffs, but I would have thought the 160 or so non-EU WTO members would object v strongly - and block UK membership - if their goods were always held up, while those from the E27 were 90% waved through

lalalonglegs · 15/03/2017 20:25

Yay - I knew the Dutch wouldn't be that dumb Star.

prettybird · 15/03/2017 20:36

Must remember this little gem from Davis "You don’t need a piece of paper with numbers on it to have an economic assessment.” when the Unionists start complaining about the fact that Scotland can't guarantee it's economic future Grin

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 20:38

Nice article on how Holland's 'poorest' town accommodates unemployment and refugees with compassion, living incomes for unemployed, libraries and churches which help refugees.

Wilders doesn't have the hold that the rabid right have established here.

www.ft.com/content/c44350c6-f85f-11e6-bd4e-68d53499ed71

PattyPenguin · 15/03/2017 20:42

The "light touch" customs would rely on expanding the current “authorised economic operator” (AEO) regime, according to Dave the Dimwit.

What is an AEO? From the EU website:
"Who can become an AEO?
Any economic operator established in the customs territory of the Union who is part of the international supply chain and is involved in customs-related operations, may apply for the AEO status."

An "economic operator" is a contractor, supplier or service provider.

So presumably the idea is that, after Brexit, a company in the EU Customs Union that exports to or imports from the UK will apply to be an AEO for the purposes of clearing customes when exporting or importing.

The EU would have to follow its standard procedures to approve the AEO. The criteria include compliance with customs legislation and taxation rules and absence of criminal offences related to the economic activity, appropriate record keeping and financial solvency.

How stringent its checks are and what the financial implications are for the company in question, I don't know.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/03/2017 20:42

Intrviews: Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of the CBI

No deal: “The concern among businesses about no deal is very high. It would be a recipe for chaos on a number of fronts. It would be a very bad thing for business to crash out with no deal.”
“The ‘no deal’ outcome shouldn’t be a plan B but should be more like a plan Z.”

Article 50: “It’s a very big moment. One of the things that will really matter is that the negotiation gets off to a good start. We want some early wins, some white puffs of smoke that are about collaboration and one that we would argue for very strongly is the guarantee of the right to remain for European citizens here. We do think it should be given unilaterally.”
www.politico.eu/newsletter/sunday-crunch/politico-sunday-crunch-article-50-looms-may-and-hammond-dinner-dates-farage-for-mp/

BigChocFrenzy · 15/03/2017 20:50

Indy Exclusive: Leaked Treasury report warns of painful 'economic shock' if Britain crashes out of the EU without a deal

"Report on post-Brexit economy seen by The Independent^^ outlines 'serious consequences' for businesses and citizens – including higher taxes and rising food prices"

The document ... warns that the WTO regime would mean “new taxes on British trade” – tariffs and duties in the 53 countries with which the EU has free trade agreements.
The UK’s privileged access to these markets would be “terminated”, and it “would take years” to strike trade deals and be difficult to replicate the current terms.
“UK agricultural exports to the EU would face new tariffs of 14.4 per cent on average, and non-agricultural goods an average tariff of 4.3 per cent – enough to undermine the competitiveness of some UK businesses,”
“The UK would have less access to the [EU] single market than Pakistan, Rwanda or Yemen.

“After we left the EU, we’d need to renegotiate the terms of our WTO membership,”
“This would trigger bureaucratic negotiations with other WTO members, lasting for months or years …This could be a very complex exercise involving a review of every tariff line – over 5,000 – to determine what rate the UK wished to apply.”

Although Britain could lower tariffs on EU imports to soften the blow of rising prices, it would have to reduce them by the same amount on all imports from WTO members.

“This would put the UK in a weak position if we wanted to negotiate trade deals to secure more market access for UK exporters

– other countries might avoid coming to the table if we’d already opened up access to our market.”

< IMPORTANT: this point is usually forgotten ! >

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-treasury-fears-leaked-document-article-50-theresa-may-eu-referendum-exclusive-a7624706.html

lalalonglegs · 15/03/2017 21:08

This can't go on, can it? Not just mounting evidence but overwhelming evidence that Brexit is going to be a disaster like no other overseen by people who are absolutely clueless. The brakes have to be applied some time soon, don't they? I don't understand why people aren't more alarmed/angry about this.

BlueEyeshadow · 15/03/2017 21:09

Thanks for new thread. Have been at the London Book Fair today looking at, among other things, the impact of Brexit on publishing, the loss of EU arts funding etc. Fun.

But the new That's Not My... book was announced. It's...

That's Not My Unicorn!

SwedishEdith · 15/03/2017 21:12

"I don't understand why people aren't more alarmed/angry about this."

Me neither. People (in RL) still seem to talk about Trump and Brexit as though they're abstract, done, happening elsewhere and to us and as though there's nothing we can do about it.

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 21:21

I know next to nothing about economics, but I can see that 30 mile lorry queues and new high taxes on imports, and presumably a basket case currency will be a very bad thing.

"Economic models are only as good as the assumptions put into them."
David Davis 15.3.17

He doesn't even speak in cogent English.

mathanxiety · 15/03/2017 21:23

BUT, now we have the Brexit plan: not content with being a low wage, low reg tax haven...
The Uk will be the new centre of the illegal drugs trade and people traffickers.
Very profitable for drug cartels and slave cartels.
Is that where the smart Tory money is going now?

The K in UK will stand for Kleptocracy.

Mistigri · 15/03/2017 21:27

choc I'm not a customs expert, but from what I gather AEO status simplifies customs declarations, and expedites controls where they take place, but doesn't remove them. It also doesn't remove the need for things like veterinary and phytosanitary controls, or overcome rules of origin issues. I think this is more smoke and mirrors tbh.

I think today proved that any government member claiming to know anything about trade needs to be treated with suspicion.

They can plant questions from clueless toryboys in a parliamentary committee session, but this won't work when people like Davis have to go up against seasoned EU negotiators. If he has any sense he ought to be petrified.

Peregrina · 15/03/2017 21:27

The brakes have to be applied some time soon, don't they?

You'd think so, wouldn't you? So many people are saying that Brexit doesn't look good. They can't all be wrong! No Brexiteer has come up with anything sensible yet.

Bananagio · 15/03/2017 21:31

Anyone know when the results from the Netherlands will be announced? No longer dare hope in exit polls.

SwedishEdith · 15/03/2017 21:43

"Labour’s Yvette Cooper asks Hammond to confirm that the first person to raise with him whether the budget met the manifesto was the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg. (See 2.34pm.) Did no one in Number 10 check?

Hammond says he was talking about the first person to raise this after the statement.

He says he took the view that he was bound by the tax lock.

But now he accepts that he should be bound by the “more expansive” interpretation in the manifesto should apply."

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 21:50

Don't know, Bananagio when actual results in, but Wilders wanted to pull them out of EU, and if his results are as expected it reduces Le Pen's chances.

@TheStalwart*)
Le Pen's odds of winning the French election slip below 30% after the Dutch result

Thanks Erdogun and Arron. Ours and the US's shit fests may be the timely warning for the west.

NinonDeLanclos · 15/03/2017 21:50

We've learnt today that, despite what May says, the government has not planned for no deal, because they categorically will not leave without one. Game set and match to the EU.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 15/03/2017 21:51

Tentatively relieved about Holland. Perhaps Rutte's talk about 'how we don't want to be chumps like the British with Brexit' got through to people.

David Davis was beyond parody today. (Unsurprisingly). What makes me smirk is how a few months ago it was all:

"We're overthrowing the elites - we're getting rid of the political classes!!"

to now:

"Oh we need to let the elites get on with their job, they know what they're doing, let's not ask them too many questions."

Surely Hammond is readying his resignation letter. I would be.

SwedishEdith · 15/03/2017 21:55

Well, quite, Ninon.

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