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Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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GreenPeppers · 15/03/2017 17:23

I think this is an important question because the EU is just starting an I portant time for it, where they are looking at changing the EU to move towards something else - I honk everyine agrès it cannot continue in its present structure.

So the UK having a vote or even worse a veto on something that will notbhave ny impact on them as they are leaving would be Shock
It would allow the UK to play on it if they wanted which wouldn't do any good for either side but you know... bargaining chips and all that.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/03/2017 17:26

I would not expect the Uk would be allowed to change anything that can't be quickly changed back.

Probably after Brexit the EU can progress more quickly on some issues blocked by the UK,
e.g. the Trade Deal with India, where the UK was blocking any extra visas for skIlled Indian workers.
Also

a Tobin tax ! which could be another problem for the Uk post-Brexit

"A financial transactions tax – also known as a Robin Hood tax – on trades is “within reach” according to the EU’s commissioner on tax, which could represent a barrier to the UK’s post-Brexit trade deal with the bloc."

"The original proposal was for a 0.1 per cent tax on trades in shares and bonds and 0.01 per cent on derivatives such as options and futures.
The measure would be aimed to raise revenue and
signal that financial services are sharing the cost of the global financial crisis."

"France, Germany and Italy are among the 10 countries backing the effort, while the UK has been stridently opposed to any tax on financial transactions."

http://www.cityam.com/257902/eu-robin-hood-financial-transactions-tax-within-reach-if

HashiAsLarry · 15/03/2017 17:29

I think the logical answer is that the UK can retain its veto for anything that effects the proposed time the UK are still members, but loses it for anything beyond that.

Can't see TM and stooges thinking that's reasonable though.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/03/2017 17:29

Greenpepper As I said upthread, Brussels is aware of that risk of "sabotage" as a negotiating tactic.
No dice.
It would suspend UK voting rights if it suspected that the govt was being deliberately stupid, rather than naturally stupid.
< not always easy to tell ! >

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 17:34

"Twelve police forces have passed files to the Crown Prosecution Service over allegations that Conservatives broke campaign spending laws at the last election, after a 10-month investigation by police forces across the country.
The revelation is likely to increase concern in Downing Street and the Conservative party about the seriousness of the investigations, which could affect several sitting MPs and even lead to election results being declared void if there are prosecutions.
The CPS said it had been passed files from Avon and Somerset, Derbyshire, Cumbria, Devon and Cornwall, Gloucestershire, Greater Manchester, Lincolnshire, the Metropolitan police, Northamptonshire, Nottinghamshire and West Yorkshire. Staffordshire police also said it had handed over its findings"
www.theguardian.com/global/2017/mar/15/second-tory-reveals-police-investigated-him-over-spending-allegations.

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 17:35

Election fraud bingo about to start.

PlectrumElectrum · 15/03/2017 17:37

Place mark

PoundlandUK · 15/03/2017 17:57

Election fraud bingo about to start. I certainly hope so, woman i could do with some cheering up.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/03/2017 17:59

We've asked before how the Tories were elected after shitting on so many voters.
Answer:
FRAUD

BigChocFrenzy · 15/03/2017 18:00

They'll probably get away with it.
Definitely the govt itself, probably no MPs will be penalised either.
Maybe a small fine for some party worker who made no effort to cover their tracks

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 18:04

The tories had £10m less, in theory, than Labour in 2015 election, and claimed to have spent just that.
The Conservatives spent nearly as much as they took during the 2015 general election year - £41,030,000
The Labour Party received an income of more than £51m in 2015, nearly £10m more than the Conservatives, according to the latest party funding figures^.
Wondering if they did spend just £41m, and where exactly their money did and does come from.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36977840

Publicly spirited US contributors are donating towards Dutch election campaign.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-elections-geert-wilders-us-backers-right-wing-conservative-think-tanks-a7629946.html

drwitch · 15/03/2017 18:08

but could labour get their act together in time to fight another election?

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 15/03/2017 18:15

Nope.

lalalonglegs · 15/03/2017 18:29

Oops, the "Beware Jews" sign seems to have been part of an ill-judged art installation Hmm. (Can't link at moment, Guardian report.)

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 18:45

Saw that this pm, la la. fake art news, although reported as real this morning.

But still plenty of real life old fashioned anti semitism
"Hate crime against Jewish people in the UK increased by more than a third last year, with recorded incidents now at record levels, charity figures suggest.
The Community Security Trust (CST), which monitors anti-Semitism, recorded 1,309 incidents in 2016 - surpassing the previous high of 1,182 in 2014".
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38836536

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-probe-spate-of-disgusting-antisemitic-attacks-in-barnet-a3446751.html

Probably what the original art installation was drawing attention to.

Figmentofmyimagination · 15/03/2017 18:47

Is the assumption that 'light touch' electronic regulation of lorries coming into the uk proposed on the basis that it's going to be so shit here that nobody in their right mind would try to stow away? That's one way of getting immigration down to the 100,000s.

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 19:04

20 MPs being investigated for election fraud.

Peregrina · 15/03/2017 19:08

Someone must have authorised the election fraud. Much though I loathe the way she behaves, I don't think that this can be laid at Mayhem's door.
Cameron, possibly. Who else? Who is in charge of election strategy? Presumably they would be in the frame?

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 19:09

On channel 4 news now Peregrina

GlassOfPort · 15/03/2017 19:09

Gosh you people move fast!

If anybody needs cheering up a bit, Danish TV has made this beautiful ad against othering

PoundlandUK · 15/03/2017 19:53

Who is in charge of election strategy?
According to Wikipedia it was Lynton Crosby (again). His entry includes the following gems:

Crosby has been described as a "master of the dark political arts",

In the 2016 London mayoral election, it was reported that Lynton Crosby was involved in linking the Labour candidate Sadiq Khan to terrorist organisations. This campaign tactic is understood to have backfired – it was poorly received by the public and resulted in Sadiq Khan winning the election over Conservative candidate Zac Goldsmith.

Crosby was knighted in the UK's 2016 New Year Honours "for political service". The honour sparked criticism from figures in the Labour Party and Liberal Democrats, who accused Cameron's government of engaging in political cronyism.

He sounds like right little charmer Hmm

Badders123 · 15/03/2017 20:01

I mean, it would be funny if our whole futures didn't depend on it....
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-david-davis-no-economic-impact-assess-uk-eu-leave-no-deal-select-committee-a7630626.html

Peregrina · 15/03/2017 20:03

Ah, wouldn't it be nice to see Crosby go to prison for electoral fraud, although maybe he is in an untouchable position, and be stripped of his knighthood? Glad that his Mayoral campaign failed.

HashiAsLarry · 15/03/2017 20:03

Anything that took down Lynton Crosby would be a bonus

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 20:08

And TM's special adviser is implicated too: Nick Timothy, however, I fear that she's being taken down by even worse.
But up to 20 MPs, that's obviously her majority.

NS's interview on Channel 4 was enlightening about May's duplicity, misleading NS before Lancaster house speech.

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