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Brexit

Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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prettybird · 15/03/2017 13:36

Of course the UK's rigour in checking Chinese importance is going to fill the EU with confidence as to our competence and ease with which the system can be played Hmm

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/08/uk-faces-2bn-fine-over-chinese-imports-scam-say-eu-anti-fraud-investigators

Mistigri · 15/03/2017 13:36

He literally does not have a clue.

Even if it were possible, it would need a plan, a budget and the time to implement it.

The EU negotiators are rubbing their hands with glee.

Cailleach1 · 15/03/2017 13:49

"I just can't get over the U-turn on NICs being justified on the basis of not wanting to go against their manifesto pledge, yet the commitment to the single market doesn't get the same respect "

I wonder how many people in the media are regarded as self employed and would be hit by the new NIC's. Hence the coverage and outrage.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/03/2017 13:53

Thanks for the new thread and excellent OP, red

"Light touch" customs, with 90% through in 5 secs Hmm
Coming IN to the UK.

My OP for previous thread quoted truckers regularly going from Turkey - who have one of those EU deals that Brexiters keep saying are so great - ovet an EU (Bukgatian) border:
15 hours is a good day, sometimes the wait is 30 hours

BUT, now we have the Brexit plan: not content with being a low wage, low reg tax haven ....

the Uk will be the new centre of the illegal drugs trade and people traffickers

Very profitable for drug cartels and slave cartels.
Is that where the smart Tory money is going now ?

Cailleach1 · 15/03/2017 13:55

Pretty, What is really damning for the UK is that they were repeatedly warned about it and knowing that it was occurring still failed to take action.

'Anti-fraud investigators said they had repeatedly warned British customs officials about the scale of the fraud. A spokesperson said: “Despite repeated efforts deployed by Olaf, and in contrast to the actions taken by several other member states to fight against these fraudsters, the fraud hub in the UK has continued to grow.” '

BigChocFrenzy · 15/03/2017 13:56

It normally spells chaos for any govt if the PM and the Chancellor have serious disagreements.
Chaos ?
At the moment, we wouldn't bloody notice any more !

Peregrina · 15/03/2017 13:59

These times are not normal BigChoc.

Bearbehind · 15/03/2017 14:02

Having posed the question on the pub thread, it seems it's absolutely fine DD can't answer basic questions about Brexit.

Every time I think it can't get worse it does.

How can people be so blind?

lalalonglegs · 15/03/2017 14:05

Well, I suppose one upside to delivering the U-turn on NICS for the government is that it has completely wipes David Davis's piss-poor select committee performance off the front pages Hmm. I've just checked the Times, Mail, Telegraph and Express sites and nada. You're going to have dig around for information on it.

Surely people can't still be supporting Corbyn after today's PMQs?

drwitch · 15/03/2017 14:05

Can we call DD something else - he is not my darling daughter!

PattyPenguin · 15/03/2017 14:08

He'd be Dai Dwl among my acquaintance - Dave the Dullard.

Bearbehind · 15/03/2017 14:08

There's plenty of 4 letter words I could currently use!

drwitch · 15/03/2017 14:11

DUH - David the Unicorn Hunter

Peregrina · 15/03/2017 14:12

Dozy Dave, Dave the Dunce, Dimwit Dave.....

MsHooliesCardigan · 15/03/2017 14:16

Bear I had a glance at the pub thread and I admire your heroic efforts but you're wasting your time on there. They will defend TM and Davis and the whole Brexit debacle to the end. There are some reasonable Leavers on there but most questions will simply be met with variations of 'It's all going to be great'. It's a bit like trying to argue with a Scientologist.

whatwouldrondo · 15/03/2017 14:17

Thanks Red and to Big Chop for holding the fort, what would we do without this thread of sanity. If I had any doubt we were on a ship of fools I just watched the whole of Sadiq Khan's evidence to the Select Committee. There they were with somebody who has been talking to the most significant sectors of our economy in GDP, balance of payments, tax revenues, employment, however you want to measure it and what do they come out with? Crap

He did well, managed to bat off most of it without bursting out laughing (though it was close a couple of times, especially at the suggestion our universities were excited about the Brexit opportunities) and kept on message, which was to highlight the risks if we don't retain access to the single market or agree transitional arrangements. It is here if you want a rest from poking your eyes out with a sharp stick. www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/ea6f1235-277c-4521-b819-f19295e2fdd8

But oh the crap........

It was not just the puffed up flub of a man I mentioned in my post on the other thread, who turned out to actually be a duo all puffed up flubs of powerful white men look the same to me Karl McCartney who represents Lincoln and John Whittingdale (Maldon, Essex) ....

There was Peter Lilley giving the benefit of his cutting intellect. I thought maybe age might have helped him acquire some wisdom since I was last on the receiving end of his stupidity in the 90s , but you cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear. He opened with the devastating point that there is no such thing as membership of the single market because it is not legally defined. So Sadiq had to outline the bleeding obvious that it was short hand for tariff free access to EU markets within the regulatory framework for goods and services. Lilley's self satisfied look clearly manifested that he felt he had dealt a first blow so then he moved on to his killer point. Why do we need a transitional deal? A good deal should be simple and take two minutes to achieve so if we haven't got a good deal in 2 years we are not going to get one. We must be optimistic a good deal will be achieved and not go in signalling transitional arrangements. When Sadiq points out that we should be realistic and need to give business the reassurance we won't throw them off the cliff edge Lilley responds that he is not optimistic either and thinks the EU will punish us and will throw us off the cliff edge without a transitional deal so no point proposing one either way Confused . Now I know why he was never let out of the DTI without his minder Permanent Secretary

Gove "tired of experts" tried the baffling with detail approach in his best smug patronising manner. Would Sadiq agree as a result of his discussions with the financial sector that there was an opportunity in having the flexibility to delay the implementation of the CIB4 directive under the international Bazel rules which the EU are implementing more quickly than necessary. Not a clue said Sadiq, I am not a regulatory expert but I know someone you could ask No I don't know either says Gove. And with your Mayoral responsibilities for air quality on Cycle lanes do you not agree we could blah blah blah. Sadiq responded even better for air quality would be if government allowed me to do something about the cabs that represent 12% of London traffic many of them simply cruising between passengers....

It wasn't just the Conservative MPs that had me wondering what planet they lived on though. There was also Stephen Tims Labour who has been to Dar Es Salaam our man in Empire 2 (a capital city not projected to enter the top 50 world cities until 2030 according to the UN) and wondered what Sadiq planned to do to build closer ties post Brexit with smaller cities like this that not on the usual economic radar....... Forget the cities in the top 30 now that are like Mumbai, Dhaka, Karachi, Chongqing, Shenzhen, Ghanzhou, Kinshasa, Lagos.....

Bearbehind · 15/03/2017 14:20

I know you're right mrs, I just can't get my head round the constant defence of such utter nonsense- it is like a cult.

lalalonglegs · 15/03/2017 14:23

ron - I think you were watching some other debate Confused. The Express story is: "I'm no expert", Sadiq FLOUNDERS as Gove and Whittingdale roast him over Brexit.

HashiAsLarry · 15/03/2017 14:29

the Uk will be the new centre of the illegal drugs trade and people traffickers
Shame our basement dwellers aren't here who claimed that this is what would happen if we stayed in the eu 🤦‍♀️

LurkingHusband · 15/03/2017 14:30

It's like living in a failed state ....

whatwouldrondo · 15/03/2017 14:34

Lala ROFL

Lalelou · 15/03/2017 14:37

I liked Corbyn at PMQs today Blush. May came across as deranged.

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 14:49

Well, I suppose one upside to delivering the U-turn on NICS for the government is that it has completely wipes David Davis's piss-poor select committee performance off the front pages
What are you suggesting lala? Wink

HashiAsLarry · 15/03/2017 14:53

A self created good day to leak bad news

Tanith · 15/03/2017 14:56

I keep wondering what would be the reaction of Ofsted if my colleagues and I were to answer them at inspection as David Davis has done.
What would happen if we were to produce no evidence and to tell them "I haven't looked into that yet" when asked about the EYFS or Prevent.

I suspect we'd be classed as Inadequate. If we were schools, we'd be placed in Special Measures. We might even be shut down with immediate effect.