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Westministenders: Its time to fire the starting gun. At our own heads.

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RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:03

Its time for the suicide. The note will say simply, "The EU made us do it".

David Davies, says that despite May’s assertion that no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK, that actually we don’t know this as he hasn’t got round to quantifying the impact of no deal.

He still has no answers for anything apart from “I dunno” and “I’ll do it later”. I can’t wait for when the dog ate my homework excuse.

After 9 months. That’s how far we’ve got. Brexit negotiation skills will have 18 months (not 2 years as it’ll need to be ratified). We are still hiring people for the Brexit department. What about all these EU agencies that the UK will have to replicate and hire and train up in 2 years time?

I’m still waiting for Davies to tell me what all these potential benefits he keeps going on about are too. Benefits for who exactly? Ah yes we know the answer to this one too, even if its not being said. Its political elites and elites with lots of money who can consolidate power and enslave the population through debt and desperation. Goodie. Just what I’ve always wanted. As long as I can wave my Union Jack. Oh. Shit. Bugger.

Nicola Sturgeon, has been doing a good job of showing Brexiteers exactly what they look like to Remainers by holding up the mirror of irony to the Vampires of the 19th Century State. The sight of them tripping over themselves saying its irrational to hold a ‘blind vote’ and that the economic argument is flawed is hilarious. If you are not British.

Hammond has been forced to u-turn on NIC budget announcement as it was not in the spirit of the manifesto. What happened to the manifesto pledge to the protect interests in the Single Market. Lets be honest, the New Tory Manifesto read simply: “We’ll wing it and see what we can get away with”. I wonder how many people would vote for that.

Its Brexit at all costs. No matter what. We must keep the foreigners out. Even though Davis hasn’t done an assessment on the financial impact of migration. Just think about that for a second. Actually don’t because you might actually want to shoot yourself in the head.

At best the government are still relying on Game Theory as a basis for their negotiations and the EU are already going, “Er we don’t think so”.

Perhaps this is the intention of May’s tour to build consensus. She’s handing out guns and bullets to anyone who displays rational thought, to blow their own brains out.

May’s weakness is her manner and her chip on her shoulder for the law. Her own party are not immune to it. She seems to think trade deals are not done based on goodwill. May’s weakness is Britain’s folly.

Pass the blindfolds round, and get on your knees and await our own execution by our own hands.

Bang.

RIP The United Kingdom and Northern Ireland. I will remember you with nostalgic fondness but equally with bitterness and shame. Our finest hours are long since passed (and were tainted with the excesses of exploitation anyway) and we must accept this as part of the process of ‘accepting Brexit’.

Now its time for the empty hand to start being shown and the blame game to begin in earnest. The politics of hate have only just begun and the divorce has not started yet. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar are the kids we might not get custody of.

We’ll be blacking up again, running around groping women like Benny Hill and pushing people back into the closet as we hit the off switch before you know it. As well as having nice shiny new ID cards we’ll have to pay for the privilege of owning and carrying at all times, to prove we aren’t nasty illegal immigrants or those equally nasty legal ones clogging up our NHS (by working for it).

Don’t worry though. Uncle Donny will save us. If he doesn’t die suddenly after eating a bowl of Russia soup or have a fatal heart attack after accidentally falling out of a tenth story window.

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GreenPeppers · 21/03/2017 09:33

The EU has already said that this will push the start of the talks to June.
They will NOT donthat in the middle of the french elections. They've said that before and that's the reason why they wanted TM to trigger Art 50 sooner rather than latter.
I see TM actions as her asserting that things will be done HER way.
Except that it won't.
The EU has also mentioned before that starting in JjUne wasn't good because all the officials are on hols during the summer, like all politicians, including the Brits. plus yu have the elections in Germany in September. Tbh th timing couldn't be worse.

However, the eu has much more to loose than the uk.

Oh and I can't see all the stuff about the negociations starting now having a major influence on the presidential,elections in France. At, people there are still blissfully unaware of the mess there is the uk and the mess there will be with the negociations.

woman12345 · 21/03/2017 09:34

Cheers, bigchoc, did I see somewhere that EU has already met wit 3m reps to offer support?

The former could play into the hands of Marine Le Pen, the French National Front leader,

Fucking fascist pimp May with fascist friendly Bannon visiting fuckwit dick wanglerJohnson ( sorry just had a brexit arms moment).Grin

PoundlandUK · 21/03/2017 09:39

I see inflation has shot up beyond "official expectation.

Let the stagflation begin Smile

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Peregrina · 21/03/2017 09:44

The EU has already said that this will push the start of the talks to June.

Since it's taken May and her three stooges 9 months to do nothing much, will another month's delay make much difference? How does she expect to negotiate anything in two years?

BigChocFrenzy · 21/03/2017 09:47

Yes, May caused the timing problem, so the EU will just move their timing back - and shorten the negotiating period for the UK.
The EU can live with that ok.

I expect the Uk govt are assuming they can easily get the 2 years extended
BUT this requires the consent of the E27 - iirc unanimous consent

Anyway, several member countries might require some commitments in advance from the UK before agreeing to extend the time

  • the UK would have to show that the govt is actually prepared to negotiate sensiblly and that an extension isn't just wasting everyone's time.

The UK may be prepared to spend the next few years obsessed with Brexit to the exclusion of all other issues.
The EU is NOT

HashiAsLarry · 21/03/2017 09:48

Inflation is expected to be above targets for the duration of the talks. RPI/CPI levels in July are the biggie - they're the ones that things like rail fare increases are based on.
It'll be interesting to see how the EU will be blamed for people's bills rising.

Motheroffourdragons · 21/03/2017 09:51

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PoundlandUK · 21/03/2017 09:53

The RPI YoY figure is even higher at 3.2% (was expected 2.9%).

Last wage growth figure = 2.2%

www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/wage-growth

Peregrina · 21/03/2017 09:53

It will all be blamed on the EU. I wonder that the Brexiters don't blame the weather on the EU.

PoundlandUK · 21/03/2017 09:58

How does she expect to negotiate anything in two years?

She doesn't. It's an impossible task even if the government had the technical capability so I don't think she's intending to even attempt. Hence no need for negotiators nor sense of urgency on the timings.

I cannot think of another other explanation that makes sense.

woman12345 · 21/03/2017 10:06

PoundlandUK How does she expect to negotiate anything in two years? She doesn't You put it much better put than I could, this is not about brexit.

LurkingHusband · 21/03/2017 10:15

I wonder that the Brexiters don't blame the weather on the EU.

What evidence do you have that they don't ?

howabout · 21/03/2017 10:25

US and Eurozone inflation at the same level as the UK despite sterling depreciation.

woman12345 · 21/03/2017 10:30

mother on confirmed Russian links to Trump.

On Russian links to Leave.
www.the-american-interest.com/2016/07/26/who-funded-brexit/

Valentine2 · 21/03/2017 10:34

Thanks lala and bigchoc for all the correction and info you provided. I am going to read up on all the names you have provided regarding pre Blair Labour to understand that.
I think that pre-Brexit referendum, the feeling towards Corbyn was different than now and Brexit is actually acting like a magnifying glass so we can see both sides more clearly and quickly than we would have without Brexit looming on our heads.
Then we are in for at least one more GE sweep by Tories if what you say is the sentiment (apologies but as I haven't read anything myself yet, I have to stay sceptical in these times). I don't think anyone can rid of Tories right now and I would truly appreciate opinions about what would have happened had Corbyn been given full support of MPs in the run up to the EU referendum for the sake of country? It's something that keeps nagging me. (I know the media campaign against previous Labour leadership has been severe too but as there was no social media back then, you might admit that this time it felt like a different level altogether.
FWIW, I will never vote labour if any Blairite comes into power (that includes Khan though I appreciate his hard work). There is just too much bitterness there. I care as much about the wars (I have worked abroad in an afflicted area and I don't think I can shake that off ever) as about their good policies for public here.
I go with LibDem then.
(I haven't looked any of the recent election figures, didn't get time to follow any results or analysis on the status of Labour in them.)

woman12345 · 21/03/2017 11:04

Anti semitic thug to stand in by election( another one Grin):

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/21/george-galloway-to-stand-in-manchester-gorton-byelection

"Lisa Nandy, the MP who is coordinating Labour’s campaign, said constituents in the seat left vacant after the death of Sir Gerald Kaufman last month, “deserve better than a man who has described the sexual assault of women as ‘bad sexual etiquette’”".

PoundlandUK · 21/03/2017 11:06

how about US wage inflation is YoY approx 4.47% though (eurozone varies by country) key point being gap between increases in expenditure vs increase in income. Gap in expectations is a second issue.

HashiAsLarry · 21/03/2017 11:09

LH Grin
In a complete anecdote makes data now because facts don't matter, I've seen one person blame the weather on remoaners, therefore it does happen all the time Wink

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BigChocFrenzy · 21/03/2017 11:38

Valentine2 An essential part of being leader within a Parliamentary system is not being so far away from the PLP that you can't lead them

MPs are supposed to be representatives, who think for themselves, not cannot fodder
Blindly following policies with which MPs completely disagree - blind, dumb loyalty - is not supposed to be our parliamentary system (I wish some cowardly Tories would remember this)

He only had the genuine fullhearted support of about 15 MPs, the result of a oarty election system totally unsuited to a parliamentary system of govt.

The PLP did initially make conciliatory moves about working with him, but Corbyn & his clique just wanted them to follow blindly, like in N Korea. He also refused to do the nuts & bolts work of being leader, for effective Opposition.

He was a great fan of the old communist E Germany and might have done well under their political one-party system. Not under a pluralist democracy.

Corbyn comes from a section of the party which has tried to intimidate the rest. They are interested in political purity, not being able to put policies into practice.
They propogate an idyllic dream of past Labour - which cons younger folk who don't know their Labour history - which is false and misleading

Labour got elected in the past only when they were sufficiently moderate to attract centrist voters.
There are few voters on the far left in the UK, certainly not the 38+% they need.

So, combined with a totally incompetent leader, this current Labour vacuum just leaves the Tories free to remake the country in their image for the next 10 years.

Goodbye Welfare State, hallo "survival of the fittest"

BigChocFrenzy · 21/03/2017 11:45

I PMed red anbout a new thread
She is visiting family, so said I should go for it.
I've gone:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eureferendumm2016/2883480-Westministenders-Danger-of-accidental-Brexit-whoops?watched=1

woman12345 · 21/03/2017 11:56

^Corbyn comes from a section of the party which has tried to intimidate the rest.( know 'em well, very difficult to organise picket lines with a 6 foot SWPer who wants to bash scab workers' cars with his placard, but nevertheless we persisted Grin), I'm not 6foot Grin ) They are interested in political purity, not being able to put policies into practice.
They propogate an idyllic dream of past Labour - which cons younger folk who don't know their Labour history - which is false and misleading^
Yep on the money there bigchoc.
Best wishes to red and thank you for starting new thread Smile

SemiPermanent · 21/03/2017 12:36

It will all be blamed on the EU. I wonder that the Brexiters don't blame the weather on the EU.

Remainers already tried that one Peregrina.... WinkGrin

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