Westministenders: Brexit Britain = Gridlock Britain ?

[BigChocFrenzy]

We keep getting told the Uk can get a deal like Canada, Turkey or other non-EU countries have, without FOM.
Those deals do not provide the same privileges as EU members:
They have quotas, restrictions and must obey EU regulations

e.g. After CETA, Ron Davidson, head of international trade for the Canadian Meat Council stated:
"We do not have what we would call commercially viable access to the European market".

The deal with Turkey abolished tariffs, but did not give free acess. This is what that means:

www.ft.com/content/b4458652-f42d-11e6-8758-6876151821a6

"On a recent Saturday at the Kapikule border crossing, about 30 minutes drive from the Turkish city of Edirne, a line of trucks 4km long stretched along the highway, inching along glacially towards the Bulgarian checkpoints.
"Today is a good day", said Ibrahim Kurtukcu, a 42-year trucker who had been waiting 14 hours.
"Last week the line was 7km long".
The record is 17km. It can take up to 30 hours to get through to the other side."

Of course, UK ports (and French ports) do not have the capacity, facilities, storage space or trained staff to handle customs processing of the vast amount of British exports & imports.

Building this additional capacity - where ? - would take several years and there are no signs that even the planning stage has started.

She did indeed do that whatwouldrondo

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-living-wage-increase-2020-government-will-fail-says-watchdog-a7621256.html

Good negotiation is about patiently getting a grasp of all the detail from every perspective and then being the world's best chess player in understanding where the power lies, where best to use it and being creative in identifying possible moves, and THEN once at the table getting yourself out of adversarial mode and looking for the moves that will genuinely benefit both parties. If the other party don't understand that, walking away can be a tactic to get them back, as long as you don't leave them with no way back. From what I have heard and read Berners is a good negotiator. I really don't think that with her refusal to listen to "pessimism", obsession with being tough and with ending FOM and The ECHR that she can get past first base...........

Not sure if this got posted earlier, but if so sorry. Can't word this better than Ian Dunt.

Home Office starts 'settlement assessment' for refugees at five years. An appalling, heartless, nonsensical policy.

home office ends automatic settlement refugees five years

"Heartless and nonsensical"
Great description of Teresa may

I'd add "power-hungry control freak" to that.

Because refugee status is meant to last forever, regardless of the political situation in their home country?

badders poundland

I agree, a totally heartless woman. If karma comes and gets her, or when she goes to meet her Maker she is weighed up in the balance and found wanting, she will only have herself to blame. I seriously do wonder how she can be a Vicar's daughter and apparently not have an ounce of compassion in her body.

It's crazy isn't it?
If the US had done something like this (which they haven't. Even DT hasn't dare doing anything like this...), there would be an outcry about lack of compassion etc etc.
These are people who have fled their country to build their life again somewhere else. How on earth are they going to do that if they are told they might not be able to stay more than 5 years. They are refugees, asylum seekers, not economic migrants!!

TM! Being the daughter of a vicar, should have learnt compassion and respect for other human beings. It seems that her father has massively failed in his role there..

There are certainly a lot of Christians out there who don't seem to be fans of New Testament teachings.

Ian Dunt again:
But there are always enough resources for us to be cruel and mean-spirited. Rarely ever enough for us to be kind.

But it means she can show a reduction in net migration if when she starts to send nonrefugees home

Such a caring human being

This thread is Ian's very own fanclub . Of which I am the self-elected president btw.

Oh yes I like that too!!

Can't remember if this gas been posted already.

The good realistic news all merges together

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-28/nissan-could-see-620-million-brexit-hit-senior-vp-lawther-says?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utmcontent=brexit&utmcampaign=socialflow-organic&utmsource=twitter&utmmedium=social&cmpid%3D=socialflow-facebook-brexit

Placemarking as can't keep up these last few days.

Has this been posted?

On Scotland: The cow in the caravan

She doesn't scare me...
I've been on a picnic with methodists! 😱😂

In response to Lawther’s comments, Prime Minister Theresa May’s spokesman Greg Swift said the government is going into negotiations with a “spirit of optimism” and is “ambitious about the nature of the free-trade deal we can strike with the EU.”

“What we want is to secure a deal that allows there to be an environment for Nissan and other companies in the automotive sector to flourish,” he told reporters.

Were none of these people ever told as children that 'I want gets nothing/I want never gets', or similar variations on the same theme?

We already have a secure deal. What do they expect to replace it with?

I love a good Father Ted analogy ninon.
Having said that there a lot of leavers who don't get the concept of the UK having veto powers so its probably lost on the people who need to understand it.

No on will listen to that pretty. Its by experts.

Britain faces £1.7bn EU fine over Chinese imports

And the govt thinks HM Revenue & Customs can cope with a WTO Brexit ...

"Olaf (the EU anti-fraud office) said that the British frontier was responsible for nearly 80 per cent of the revenue lost to fraud in the EU last year."

"The government faces a €2 billion bill from Europe for failing to prevent British ports being used as bases for fraud by Chinese gangs."

"The EU’s anti-fraud office has accused the government of ignoring repeated warnings that consignments of Chinese goods were being drastically undervalued, leading to the EU losing out on at least €2 billion (£1.7 billion) in customs duties in the past four years.

The anti-fraud body, Olaf, alleges that criminal groups are using Britain as a bridgehead for entering Europe
where they go on to carry out VAT fraud, depriving member states of a further €3.2 billion between 2013 and 2016.
Unlike customs duties, which are collected by the European Union, VAT ought to be collected by member states where products are eventually sold."

A spokesman said that the losses to the EU budget were continuing because the fraud had not been stopped.
“Despite repeated efforts deployed by Olaf, and
in contrast to the actions taken by several other member states to fight against these fraudsters, the fraud hub in Britain has continued to grow,”

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/britain-faces-1-7bn-eu-fine-over-chinese-imports-fraud-5mhbn8x36

Maybe deliberate practice for a Post-Brexit Britain majoring in sleaze and fraud ?

Hashi, "Having said that there a lot of leavers who don't get the concept of the UK having veto powers so its probably lost on the people who need to understand it."

Well, it doesn't really help when Penny Mordaunt stated 4 times on Andrew Marr that the UK doesn't have a veto on a Turkey joining. Despite being given the chance to tell the truth 3 times.

I think there are some people Penny who don't understand the concept of truth and deceit being two different things. That is only my personal opinion, of course. And indeed why would she when it paid off? May promoted the best at being deceitful she could get. Again, that is only my personal opinion.

Thanks BigChoc for the new threads.

This is also why the EU will demand customs posts if May takes the Uk out of the Customs Union:
they know the Uk cannot be trusted to be competent

Mind you, she missed out on Gove. Maybe she is saving the most slitheringly brazen best until last. My conjecture.