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Westministenders: Brexit Britain = Gridlock Britain ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2017 16:03

We keep getting told the Uk can get a deal like Canada, Turkey or other non-EU countries have, without FOM.
Those deals do not provide the same privileges as EU members:
They have quotas, restrictions and must obey EU regulations

e.g. After CETA, Ron Davidson, head of international trade for the Canadian Meat Council stated:
"We do not have what we would call commercially viable access to the European market".

The deal with Turkey abolished tariffs, but did not give free acess. This is what that means:

www.ft.com/content/b4458652-f42d-11e6-8758-6876151821a6

"On a recent Saturday at the Kapikule border crossing, about 30 minutes drive from the Turkish city of Edirne, a line of trucks 4km long stretched along the highway, inching along glacially towards the Bulgarian checkpoints.
"Today is a good day", said Ibrahim Kurtukcu, a 42-year trucker who had been waiting 14 hours.
"Last week the line was 7km long".
The record is 17km. It can take up to 30 hours to get through to the other side."

Of course, UK ports (and French ports) do not have the capacity, facilities, storage space or trained staff to handle customs processing of the vast amount of British exports & imports.

Building this additional capacity - where ? - would take several years and there are no signs that even the planning stage has started.

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Motheroffourdragons · 13/03/2017 16:31

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GreenPeppers · 13/03/2017 16:49

Can I laugh at the answer from TM in the article woman linked to
Responding to that statement, the Prime Minister said: "The tunnel vision that the SNP has shown today is deeply regrettable. It sets Scotland on a course for more uncertainty and division, creating huge uncertainty," the PM said.

So that's not good enough for Scotland to want its independence because it creates uncertainty and division BUT Brexit is OK...

Oh the irony....

EffinElle · 13/03/2017 16:51

I was thinking the same Green, TM can't smell her own shit Hmm

Badders123 · 13/03/2017 16:52

Davis now saying it's going to be a "long process"

No shit Sherlock

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lalalonglegs · 13/03/2017 16:59

Damn right it's going to be a long process, now Theresa May is planning to demand that the EU pay the UK £9bn before it leaves. I don't think the negotiations are even going to begin within the two-year window with both sides squabbling about who owes what.

LurkingHusband · 13/03/2017 17:04

Remind me again, who voted for this dreadful woman ?

Kaija · 13/03/2017 17:08

Michael Deacon on TM and IndyRef2:

Westministenders: Brexit Britain = Gridlock Britain ?
SemiPermanent · 13/03/2017 17:11

Using your fag packet calculation of a one-off cost, LH - £16billion does sure sound a lot!
Aw shucks, I wonder how long it will last?!

(£8.5 billion a year is roughly what the UK throws into the black hole of the EU in net contributions, so Brexit Britain could cover the shortfall in 2 yrs, technically).

PlectrumElectrum · 13/03/2017 17:14

Parking my butt here to keep an eye on this. I've let this slide recently but as I'm on trump watch & now indyref has reappeared, might as well add this to my watch list.

LurkingHusband · 13/03/2017 17:21

Using your fag packet calculation of a one-off cost, LH - £16billion does sure sound a lot!

Obviously there are a few caveats ...

  1. That's over the lifetime of Trident ...
  2. As you allude, Scotland would have to pay it's full share into the EU, so that money is not available elsewhere.

I wonder how long before the following cognitive dissonance is reported ...

UK: We're leaving the EU - it's great to be in control of our destiny.

Scotland: We're leaving the UK - it's great to be in control of our destiny.

UK to Scotland: How dare you contemplate an independent future !!!

Motheroffourdragons · 13/03/2017 17:29

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HashiAsLarry · 13/03/2017 17:36

kaija I've been trying to say that myself and desperately failing!

Motheroffourdragons · 13/03/2017 17:38

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Kaija · 13/03/2017 17:38

Michael Deacon is amazingly reliable for this sort of thing.

lalalonglegs · 13/03/2017 17:45

Mother - I agree but that hasn't stopped her so far...

prettybird · 13/03/2017 17:51

Kaija when I pointed that out on one of "hypocrisy" threads (iirc, after May's speech in Scotland), I got told that I was wrong, that you couldn't point out that if you swapped May's words (Scotland for UK, UK for EU), she was demonstrating sheer hypocrisy by saying one thing in one circumstance and the exact opposite in another, parallel, circumstance.

Definition of hypocrisy: "a situation in which someone pretends to believe something that they do not really believe, or that is the opposite of what they do or say at another time" Confused

It's either hyprocrisy or a severe case of doublethink Sad

HashiAsLarry · 13/03/2017 17:51

A handy flow chart

Westministenders: Brexit Britain = Gridlock Britain ?
PattyPenguin · 13/03/2017 18:32

I suppose Treesa could always got the 3 Bears route (the folk tale, not the 3 numpties in her Cabinet).

The EU is too big.
Scotland is too small.
The UK (as currently constituted) is Just Right.

Can't help thinking there'd be lots of woodland cottage bed memes, though.

Mistigri · 13/03/2017 18:39

Favourite thing right now: watching brexiters who can't decide whether to say "fuck off Scotland" or to moan pathetically about NS "playing politics" (translation: playing it better than us).

They know that indyref2 risks seriously derailing the negotiation process and sapping government attention, but that refusing it will make the Tories look like hypocrites and democracy-deniers.

lalalonglegs · 13/03/2017 18:42

WM votes down Lords amendment to guarantee EU residents a right to remain by 48 votes.

lalalonglegs · 13/03/2017 18:43

A bigger majority than last time, apparently Sad.

lalalonglegs · 13/03/2017 18:43

I suppose that should have been Commons, not WM, but you get the gist...

Badders123 · 13/03/2017 18:43

Fucking disgraces

drwitch · 13/03/2017 18:45

any hope for the second one do you think?

prettybird · 13/03/2017 18:50

No Sad