London 25 March

[Niamer]

See you there!

(That is, not spend the whole day in a tube station

avoid the crowds...

The whole idea is to have a crowd of us. Still, marches are usually well organised and you gather at the Embankment or somewhere like that and move off in an orderly queue. But join later on if e.g. mobility is an issue.

Badders - you can easily jump off the tube at Green Park and join the march mid-way through on Piccadilly, then peel off at Whitehall (and walk to Charing X or Embankment tubes). I agree that the crowd at the end of the rally can be a nightmare and, as I may be taking my youngish children, I don't want to risk being separated for them at the rally point.

It's usually quite easy to spot a quiet bit, and as la la says just peel off.
Wish it was another women's march, then we'd know for sure it would peaceful.

But needs must, I'll be there! Thanks for posting Niamer.

My friend has to pay for all their kids books, text books etc. Over here we don't, Christ some kids can't be arsed buying a 19p biro to take to school

Yeah but what you said was So I am understanding your meaning people from Main land Europe? Who at home have to pay for schooling, medical care etc . But hey its for free here.

The original statement (second one above) is implying that education is not free in other EU countries (or rather funded by taxes as per UK). And that people come to the UK to take advantage of our free system. Your further statement then just talks about books and pens having to be paid for rather than the education itself. So a very different situation from what you originally said although not surprising considering how much disinformation seems to be being posted over the last few days in particular. And as mentioned above the price of those books, pens etc are less than my friends pay for school uniform in the UK which is a cost I don't have and the smaller class sizes in my city centre school here in comparison to the leafy market town my dsis in the UK lives in, more than compensate anyway for the small amount it costs me every year.

The EU Commission Regulation 2257/94 identifies certain restrictions for fruits that producers have to conform to in order to sell their produce within the EU. The regulation states that bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature." - So its not a myth.

Thanks lala

Immigration while building this country is also killing it

Shrodinger's immigrant in a nutshell...

Purots Thank you or coming back, that question invariably results in leavers having to answer the doorbell or something. However you did not answer my question. What will be the UK's competitive advantage in global markets post Brexit given that a hard Brexit will hit hardest those sectors of the economy who currently provide us with something to sell to the rest of the world. Clearly May realises that because they are on her list of unicorns benefits she wants to cherry pick in negotiations. Given she has signalled they will be sacrificed in the name of controlling immigration, and shows no sign of investing in infrastructure to manage the economy in new directions what are we going to sell to the rest of the world to compensate for the impact?

I am not brainwashed, I am actually involved in global trade. I understand where our competitive advantage lies. Either that or every major global business is brainwashed as well, rather than relying on economic and market analysis to develop their strategies...

Always a thread killer that question...

If brexit was so popular they'd organise a counter-march. Unfortunately as Nige's ill-fated Supreme Court demonstration showed, the number of people who care enough about brexit to bother turning up is tiny.

The ultimate problem for brexit is going to be exactly this: a slim majority are (probably) in favour of brexit, but few are committed to it. That support will ebb quite quickly if brexit turns out to be the crock of shit that many of us think it will be (if it was really guaranteed to deliver the promised sunny uplands, then there would be no Brexiters moaning about this march). Whereas motivated remainers are much more numerous, and very unlikely to go away.

Wonder how many tories will be on the march now? There's a growing list of rebels: Heseltine, Clarke, Major etc. May knows she is representing fewer and fewer of her own party, not a good political position to be in.

I agree misiti.

The news about Vauxhall and rising food prices have really burst the Brexit bubble. Even the Mail and Telegraph seem more downbeat these days.

If brexit was so popular they'd organise a counter-march. Unfortunately as Nige's ill-fated Supreme Court demonstration showed, the number of people who care enough about brexit to bother turning up is tiny.

Counter arguement to that though is that if more people were that bothered about staying in they would have got out and voted.....

That's absolutely true piglet

But there might be an arguement for the fact that many, many people thought that leave would lose. Even leave campaigners thought that

Some people (and i am not saying enough to sway the vote) may well have stayed away thinking its going to be remain anyway and i cant be bothered

Obviously potential leave voters may have thought exactly the same thing

But there might be an arguement for the fact that many, many people thought that leave would lose. Even leave campaigners thought that

Maybe but that doesn't hold water really. There is no counting of 'I didn't vote because...'

Complacency, which is what that would be, is no excuse imo.

That goes for which ever way people may have voted.

I am not sticking up for people who didnt vote

I agree with you

People didnt vote because they werent allowed

Because they had no clue

Because they couldnt be bothered

Because they thought whats the point...we are going to win/lose anyway

Someone on mumsnet said they didnt vote because they lived in a strong reman/leave area

They all still didnt vote though...one way or the other

Some didn't vote because their proxy/postal votes didn't arrive in time, despite being applied for promptly. Whether that was enough to swing the result, I don't know.

Counter arguement to that though is that if more people were that bothered about staying in they would have got out and voted

16 million did (and others like me who would have voted were prevented from doing so). The point being that while marginally more people support leave, the proportion of committed and motivated remainers is much higher than for leave voters.

The point being that while marginally more people support leave, the proportion of committed and motivated remainers is much higher than for leave voters.

Not sure that is true. The side that 'loses' is usually more motivated as they didn't 'win'.

If leave had lost, I'm pretty sure they would have had marches etc.

The side that 'loses' is usually more motivated as they didn't 'win'.

The side with more to lose generally is more motivated, yes. But the flipside of that is that if people felt they had a lot to gain from brexit, and a lot to lose if the project fails, should also be highly motivated.

The difficulty for brexiters (and the reason for the sudden flurry of activity on this forum) is that while a lot of people support brexit in a general way, few of them stand to gain personally from it.

Some people didn't vote because Southern Rail was on WTR and it took them almost 5 hours to travel from London to Brighton (usually 50 minutes), by which time polling stations had closed.

The people I know who didn't vote did so because they didn't feel equipped to make that decision. That the issues were too complex for them to understand enough to make a responsible decision. Most were young people.