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Brexit

London 25 March

298 replies

Niamer · 05/03/2017 19:22

See you there!

London 25 March
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Niamer · 06/03/2017 18:23

For our EU membership drinkswine - to keep the freedom, rights and benefits we have enjoyed for 40+ years .

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IamWendy · 06/03/2017 18:37

Hmmm. Not a very convincing list of people tbh. I also remember hearing that even if this demographic had been allowed a vote, it would still have been brexit.

Bananagio · 06/03/2017 18:41

Will be marching in the equivalent one in the EU country I live in.
And for the millionth time Remain voters are not all left wingers. As a Remain voter and a left leaning voter I am finding myself for once in total agreement with some arch Thatcherite family members and friends. While holding up Ken Clarke and John Major as the voices of reason and common sense in these bizarre times.

drinkswineoutofamug · 06/03/2017 18:49

Thank you niamer

whatwouldrondo · 06/03/2017 18:52

Nope not a leftie either, and no children to drag. Can I still come Niamer?

GrumpyOldBag · 06/03/2017 18:57

I'm going.

I'm among the 48% who voted to remain, and goodness knows how many more might have voted against a Hard Brexit had they been made aware that we would be led in that direction.

whatwouldrondo · 06/03/2017 18:58

Bananagio. Strange times have made for strange bedfellows. I always had some respect for Clarke and Heseltine especially, and Major in spite of his extreme greyness. However even Davcam and Gideon are suddenly seeming like the voice of reason. I was shouting at the TV when Davcam was campaigning on the basis of being the safe pair of hands for the economy, but in comparison to May he really was.

claraschu · 06/03/2017 18:59

To all you people who think that opposing Brexit is a simple act of trying to subvert the will of the people, do you realise that the top google search the day after you voted to leave was: "What is the EU".

A lot of people voted in protest. In order to make an informed choice about Brexit people would "need to know about the economics and sociology of trade and immigration, the politics of centralized regulation, and the history of nationalist movements" (stole this line from an article in Atlantic). Obviously, since Brexit, a lot of the implications of the vote are better understood, and it seems likely that it wouldn't win if you had a new vote.

drinkswineoutofamug · 06/03/2017 19:12

May I ask what benefits people are believing we are going to loose?
I'm interested in other people's opinions.
I can understand people not being happy about immigration , straight bananas and fishing waters. The freedom of movement does seem to be a huge bugbear for some. This country was built on immigration and its infrastructure would possibly collapse if we told everyone to bugger of home . I can see that not happening. Expats won't have to come home either?
I find these threads interesting and educational .

twofingerstoEverything · 06/03/2017 20:06

There's already a thread about this March here

Interestingly enough, it was the same old denigrators who were first to post on that one, too!

NearlyChristmasNow · 06/03/2017 20:41

I'm going and taking DS (7). Even though he won't really get it, it will be my way of showing him I did what I could to try to stop the destruction of our economy.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 06/03/2017 20:46

What the actual fuck is wrong with you

Noisy lefties

For the millionth time

Tories also voted to remain

Lazy fucking generalisations

fakenamefornow · 06/03/2017 20:51

May I ask what benefits people are believing we are going to loose?

The right to go and live on top of a mountain in Italy if they want to or in the arctic or working as a ski instructor in France for the winter season then behind a bar in Spain for the summer. I made the most of these rights and freedoms and they were the best years of my life, my children (and yours) won't have these same opportunities.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 06/03/2017 20:54

How many times does this need saying? Democracy did not end on 24 June 2016.

Looking forward to the march Smile

LittleLionMansMummy · 06/03/2017 21:06

I'll be there op, with my dad, sisters and 4 month old dd (taking her more for practical rather than ideological reasons, I'm breastfeeding). Looking forward to it - it'll be the first March I've been on!

Niamer · 06/03/2017 23:24

Nope not a leftie either, and no children to drag. Can I still come Niamer?
As long as you're noisy Flowers.

I am politically anybody's who'll get us out of this mess and will not be bringing children either.

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Niamer · 06/03/2017 23:33

May I ask what benefits people are believing we are going to loose?
What Fakename said - freedom of movement. Anything from 2 weeks in Majorca with free healthcare and easy travel, to working abroad for a summer season, to eloping with a Pepe and being able to live and work wherever in Europe without the rubbish EU citizens here ATM are having to put up with.

Regional funding.

Clean beaches.

Medical and scientific collaboration. This is a biggie for me - not that I'm a medic or a scientist but they are all worried and against Brexit and that says it all for me scientistsforeu.uk/ healthierin.eu/

Erasmus funding. (not clear if this'll stop or not) It's the only bit of dosh students get - they have the chance to work and study overseas and get a load of financial assistance. Experiences are life-changing.

Animal rights are protected by EU.

I could go on...

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caroldecker · 06/03/2017 23:54

Naimer animal right are certainly not protected by the EU - do some research about what you are marching on.

drinkswineoutofamug · 07/03/2017 00:19

I would love to go abroad and have free health care but I can't . I pay for it.
Do people think we will need a visa to go to France?
And I'm now interested what rubbish eu citizens are putting up with.
You do realise that we are still in the eu. So I am understanding your meaning people from Main land Europe? Who at home have to pay for schooling, medical care etc . But hey its for free here.

Anon1234567890 · 07/03/2017 00:39

The right to go and live on top of a mountain in Italy if they want to or in the arctic or working as a ski instructor in France for the winter season then behind a bar in Spain for the summer

Talk about rights for the wealthy elite. Bring on Brexit equality.

Bananagio · 07/03/2017 06:00

Talk about rights for the wealthy elite. Bring on Brexit equality.

Total bollocks!

I left my council estate, breadline background, went to experience living in an EU country, worked, made some amazing friends, had some life changing experiences, learnt a language, met DH, had DS, flitted back and forth between the U.K. and here, working in both countries, had the same healthcare as everyone else in both countries, paid into the state pension in both places at different times secure in the knowledge I'd be able to draw on them when the time came etc etc. That opportunity came at the cost of a plane ticket and a few hundred quid for the first month all of which I paid for out of endless barwork. If visas, private health insurance, certain income levels etc had been part of the deal as a non EU member then am pretty sure I would never have done it as that opportunity would have been for those with some money behind them. Anecdotal it may be but all of the foreigners I know from outside the EU who have settled where I am come from financially secure backgrounds of varying degrees (as opposed to ones from other EU states)and that is far more likely to become the case post Brexit regarding Uk citizens.

whatwouldrondo · 07/03/2017 06:10

I am marching for all the benefits we derive from the EU in the shape of underwriting our sources of competitive advantage in global markets, the passports for our services industry, networks that enable innovation in science and technology and our knowledge economy. May might hope to cherry pick the continuation of these benefits but the EU have made their principles clear and in making immigration the priority she has made it clear they are expendable, and a devastating hard Brexit hitting 70% of our economy, and tax receipts, with the resultant damage to our welfare state it is.

I am also marching in support of our young people who made their wish to stay part of Europe clear. They are the ones starting out on their lives who will have to live with the devastating impact of a hard Brexit.

I am also marching because I believe that we should be standing with our neighbours as a powerful geopolitical force in the world to balance out the power of the USA, Russia and China especially during these times when the right wing nationalist forces present a threat to the world. I want to see us continuing to stand up for liberal values and human rights, supporting the people of other countries across the globe whose people are overcoming past tyranny and exploitation and seeking greater fairness and a say in their government.

I could go on too but those are the biggies for me.

whatwouldrondo · 07/03/2017 06:13

Amongst the young people I am marching for are the communities I know who live across Europe working as tradesmen, electricians, plumbers etc. Not exactly elite....

fakenamefornow · 07/03/2017 07:55

Go to Spain in the summer, you'll see loads of wealthy elite handing out flyers for nightclubs in order to earn so money and not have to go home until they want to.

Do people think we will need a visa to go to France?

Yes. If they want to stay longer than three months or get a job working in a bar over the season. Except, I don't think UK passport holders will be given visas to do the sort of low skilled jobs they currently do in Europe just because they're having a great time and don't want to go home, you'll have to be very highly skilled to get a visa in future (maybe you could describe them as the wealthy elite).

Anlaf · 07/03/2017 08:18

I am marching for:

  • standardisation of regulation of goods and services across 28 countries - boring also outing as possibly witty placard subject but it is astonishing to me that the EU has made it possible for someone in this country to make a product and sell it in those countries without adjustment. Particularly in my industry, which means I could go and work anywhere in the EU without a huge learning curve for the local regulations.

  • a commitment to collaborate with those in our nearest markets. That we seem to be doing our best to shake our fists at them seems utterly bizarre given we intend to form trading relationships [keyword: relationships] with the glorious rest of the world.

  • for Scotland and Northern Ireland as their leaving the UK is now an actual possibility thanks to the UK Government's behaviour, and that is a totally preventable fucking disgrace.

  • for decent, honest political discourse: hate straight bananas rules? You'll love the Codex Alimentarius, the UN body which developed the rule and which the EU copy and pasted into trading law, and which we will still abide by when trading with 187 countries across the world. You'll also love your current ability to buy any buckled banana you like under current EU regs

  • for my EU mates who live here, or my UK mates who live there, most of whom have stories just like Bananagio's and who are now frightened for their futures in the countries they have made their lives in.

  • for the people of the UK, because despite the statements that Britain has a great future outside the EU, I can see no way that this Brexit will not harm real living standards (loss of manufacturing/assembly jobs if we leave the customs union, reduced labour standards to attract investment/trade, loss of tax revenues from financial services+ more, inflation due to the fall in the £pound, introduction of tarrifs on imports if we fall on WTO rules...)

Finally, I am petrified of nationalism, and its close friend populism. All this talk of the elite (AKA anyone who disagrees with "the people") is just textbook populism, and what does populism actually offer the people? Nothing! Except, I suspect, belittlement of traditional political activity, the trudging, effortful kind: marching for stuff you believe in, discussing what you want from the world with other people even when they disagree with you, writing to your MP in the vain hope of changing their approach...

I actually could go on!