London 25 March

[Niamer]

See you there!

Get what exactly?

"I voted Remain but..."

Pretty sure I saw it covered on the BBC yesterday, police estimated the turnout at around 30k didn't they so maybe given the fairly small numbers they didn't feel it merited a huge amount of coverage?

What's with all the swearing and violent language? It's a lovely sunny weekend, chill and try not to get so angry

I don't know one single person who has been surprised by the NHS lie because politicians lie to get their own way. Sadly though, what's coming across on here is that posters believe that the little people who voted leave did it because they didn't understand the issues, probably because they are too ignorant and thick and racist to grasp such complicated matters. During the referendum nobody understood what the issues were, not even the so-called prominent people. Nobody still understands it and we won't know the true outcome until reveals itself to us. That's the bald truth.
Most people I know who voted leave knew the future would be uncertain outside the EU but for them (not me) it was like walking away from a bad job, a bad relationship. You know that you'll lose financial certainty but anything has got to be better than the shit you are currently living through. The fact they could give a massive kick in the bollocks to the very people who had been giving them a kicking for years was a bonus.
So the next time you go on a March, don't do it because you believe you are helping those who can't think for themselves. I really believe that people on here are seriously pissed off because your vote only counted for as much as a poor person with a single GCSE in the industrial north. The politicians and the media don't get it and surprisingly, neither do most people here.

We have been given a financial kicking for years here. Investment per capita in transport, education, the arts is way below the South. I can only see things will get worse for us.

I dont disagree (although masses of areas in the south are the same...as far as i can see most of the money goes to london and the more affluent cities)

But i dont think its going to get better after brexit...the people with the money are still not going to want to share it 'fairly'

Cowgirls, nobody has said anything remotely like that.

cowgirls I'm a mental health nurse in one of the most deprived London boroughs and every day, I witness poverty and deprivation which is beyond the imagination of most people living in the UK. I hand out around 12 food bank vouchers a week. I see families of 6 living in a 14th floor one bedroom flat with a broken lift, mould everywhere and mice running around. Yet, some Brexiters would call them the 'elite' because they live in London.
I haven't asked them but I imagine that a lot of my patients voted Leave. I can totally understand why but I still think they're wrong and that they will get totally shafted by Brexit. The North doesn't have a monopoly on poverty. Plenty of people in the North voted to remain and plenty of people in the south (especially comfortably off pensioners) voted to leave. It's nowhere near as simple as you make out. Yes, I fit the profile of a typical middle class Remainer. I can't help the family I was born into but I'm getting a bit sick of having to constantly apologise for it as though it's some dreadful crime.

I agree MissHooleysCardigan The relative deprivation in London is alarming.

I live in the industrial north and my city voted remain, cow. Whereas the leafy, semirural, relatively affluent area of the southwest I grew up in voted leave. Lot of assumptions you're working with tbh, many of them not true. Don't patronise northerners by portraying us all as sad workers from't mill, please.

The city where I currently live also voted Bolshybookworn The.fact though is that many of the towns in the industrial north did vote leave, including the one I grew up in. You will have to look elsewhere if you want to find somebody who wants to patronise those people. I suggest you loom at the posters who claim to have marched for the benefit of people in the north who voted leave

Cowgirls: This idea that the 'liberal elite' has no understanding of life beyond their own immediate circles is ridiculous. I don't deny that there has been some condescension, but it's gone the other way too. I'm pretty fed up wth being told I have no idea about anything beyond my own narrow world and that I think everyone who voted leave is stupid. I don't. I'm trying to get a balanced view of people's reasons for voting out, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them.

Look not loom. Freudian slip given your use of the phrase 'from't mill'

I am heartened by your post 20nil but I really believe that sadly, people like you are in the minority.

So Cowgirl, you voted Remain while thinking it was going to harm the North/poor people generally?

Was on the March too along with two British citizens (DP and DS) and we won't be shamed into not doing it again. Like most remainers we think and have always thought that it was in everyone's interest.

Again, there are many, many areas of the south that voted leave, so I'm really not sure what your point is. People march because they think Brexit is a bad idea that has potentially catastrophic consequences for the country, not because they think the people of Rotherham give a crap. If leavers want to sit on their arses and watch our economy fall apart, it's up to them really. I think most of them could care less tbh.

Some of us do care though, and we have a democratic right to be heard, even if it brings about lazy threats of violence

The categorisation of "northerner" and "the north" gets my goat though. Why do we do ourselves down so much? It's not all rain and misery up here! If we want people to invest up here then it might be good to talk ourselves up occasionally.
It's also patronising to suggest all "northerners" voted leave. Picture is as complex up here as it is down south.

Have you read any of my posts Fawfal I haven't mentioned one single thing about my own motives for voting remain. I have only talked about other peoples' motives for voting leave For the avoidance of doubt I believe that leave is a bad thing for the entire UK.

I am proud to be a northerner who lives in the north. I'm not sure why that 'categorisation' would get anybody's goat

Seriously doubt such a big turnout would have been the case if the venue had been Birmingham.

Somewhat late to the cat party, but how could I possible deprive you confused little women of my MALE 🇬🇧BRITISH🇬🇧 Shorthair's guidance and opinion on this matter?! He is too busy trying to catch flies with far more important things but asked me to thank everyone who attended yesterday's march. He thought it was all a rather classy affair and badly overdue!
Since he is a traitorous citizen of nowhere kitty lives "on the Continent" it's probably best to ignore him though and just get on with this Brexshit suicide business.

Also, he was wondering wether Element's gorgeous girl cat might be interested in going on date? He is quite dim, a bit clumsy and terribly spoilt, but has an EU passport and will be able to source non-GMO beef and chlorine free chicken after Brexit.

I really wish that the politicians and the City had not treated large areas of the UK with utter contempt over the past few decades. Had any of them given a shit about these places people wouldn't have voted out.

100% agree with you here, cowgirl. This has been going on since Thatcher's day. To give Heseltine his due, although he's a maverick in many ways, when Thatcher wanted to abandon Liverpool, he refused, went up there and got to know people. BTW as a Lord now, he does a lot of work quietly supporting his local schools.

If you do manage to get your own and overrule the vote, I dread to think about the kicking you people and your mates will give to the north in punishment for people who live there daring to disagree with you

It won't be people like us - it will be those self same Tories who kicked you when you were down the previous time - in some cases almost literally the same people, Lilley, Redwood, in others people from the same mould - Rees Mogg, Johnson. Then May of course, who is not in the Rees-Mogg mould, but is an extremely limited southern Englander who despite being a vicar's daughter, really doesn't show much awareness of how substantial numbers of people live.

I saw a large contingent from Leeds just in front of me on the March. I know that people came down from Durham and Newcastle, I know that people came up from the West Country.

I marched to send a message to May, 100,000 people marching against her, which represented more - maybe five more people in my case, means that 65 million people are not with you May. At present you are hiding behind 'the will of the people'. If/when it all goes tits up, you won't be able to say, as someone has already said, 'no one objected' because we did and will continue to do so. As was said at the speeches - the current form of Brexit is May's choice; it most certainly not what people voted for. NHS - no money for that, but money for the Brexit bill. Sovereignty - never lost apparently.

Well stop doing it down, then cow. We need to stop talking the north down and start persuading people that there are real benefits to living and investing up here.

I will never talk the region down. Ever. I love it with a passion.

cowgirl I grew up in one of those northern cities, I have seen the effects of its deprivation. Next weekend when I go home I will be living the dream of being called a "remoaner" "metropolitan elite" and every other bit of divisive rhetoric derived from the Daily Mail, along, no doubt with a repeat of a suggestion made to me this week that all Pakistanis should be subject to vetting....

I agree there is a real issue about the way in which the policy of successive governments have treated deprived areas of the country and indeed London.

I do not agree that we should turn that into the sort of tribal ranting you are indulging in. The march was NOT a manifestation of the North /South , as others have said many travelled down the considerably greater distance than I did to make their point. It is just resorting to an easy stereotype to say so. It was a manifestation of the fact that a political, and rich, elite has taken the excuse of the vote to take the country further to the right and to impose its dream of a small state, low tax cowboy economy on the back of a hard Brexit. I agree it was a protest vote. However if those people protesting thought it could not get worse, they were sadly mistaken.

And I love the county of my birth with a passion too