Westministers: The Lords Strike Back

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This needs no fanfare or lengthy post. Just this:

The Lords are demanding amendments unilateral protection for EU citizens.

Labour was split 358 for an amendment to 256 against.

This is after Amber Rudd had tried to reassure the Lords by writing a letter assuring peers that EU citizens would be treated with the utmost respect.

Utmost respect = an amendment to guarantee unilateral support.

Today is a good day. It should have been done in the first place.

yep, lots of back peddling now. Today's news about Vauxhall is just more project fear. But hey they won - its just like a football match!

Local voting figures shed new light on EU referendum

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

power of the gutter press and yet some people think they make informed decisions in a vacuum

www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/211152/trump-data-analytics-russian-access

Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash had done a lot of the ground work on this too (article posted by math detailing the characters and CA involved in Trump and Brexit campaign)

He's made a lot of money in London property, he and his brother Robert are big tory donors. They are linked to Icelandic bank collapses.

I don't know what's worse, idiocy or racism, but they're proving a pretty toxic combination in England right now.

And it's becoming clear, that this is a English problem.

Awful thread about an Australian dh of an mner feeling unwelcome here now on the ref topic

How bloody depressing

Gotta tell ya...Canada's looking good ATM!

The bafflement on the faces of the people of my county when it's pointed out we have almost zero immigration....

Now who's being insular? "Immigration hit its highest-ever level in the quarter leading up to the EU referendum" - a direct quote from the Guardian, that well known far right, anti EU paper.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/01/immigration-to-uk-hit-record-levels-in-run-up-to-brexit-vote-latest-figures-show

Why on earth should people in low immigration counties not vote on the basis on the national immigration picture?

Can someone start a new thread tomorrow if I'm not about please? I'm out all day with no net access at all, so with the best will in the world won't be about.

Should be around sometime on Wednesday.

Interesting voting figures ghost. Couldn't see NI there, but on channel 4 news in DUP town which failed to elect DUP young unionists were dismayed at the leave vote.

Brexit played a big part in NI elections with 70% voting for remain candidates.

Slippery - anecdotes do not = data. Mine or yours.

The actual stats are sobering however

Swathes of uneducated people in very deprived areas voted leave. In areas of little/no Immigration.

Obv not anyone you know

Fortunately for TM no one in the current cabinet will challenge her for leadership -
It's a poisoned chalice that the architects of leave are well aware of and have distanced themselves from.

"I'm not racist!!" Leavers bleat
"I just happen to share the views of rabidly right wing racist bigots. It's a total coincidence!!"

There is a difference between sharing views and voting the same way.
You can vote the same way for a completely different set of reasons.

"That excuse won't fly in the future"

I have nothing to excuse myself for, and I don't need or want your excusal thank you. I have cast my vote for my own reasons and have little regard for people with a shitty attitude.

red sure one of is will

Why on earth should people in low immigration counties not vote on the basis on the national immigration picture?

you don't know they voted based on the national picture. It seems strange people would vote Brexit knowing it would risk British manufacturing and potentially lead to the break up of the union. Seems more reasonable to suggest they were poorly informed.

badders Thought you may like this

Slippery

Perhaps so

But history will judge differently I think

You can vote the same way for a completely different set of reasons.

Brexit was about immigration that is the line the government is taking. Sovereignty was never lost and theRE will be no Brexit economic boom or 350 mil for the NHS.

Hashi 😂

you don't know they voted based on the national picture.

What, they don't know how to read? The highest level of net immigration in decades just passed them by?

Right!
Im off to watch parks and rec and cheer myself up 😖

Yes, high poverty, poor education areas voted leave. We do not know if the people in those areas with poor education were actually the ones who cast the leave votes.

Even if this was the case:

If you believe poor people have no right to contribute to decisions in a democracy then I would hate to see the state of the country if you were running it.

I would hate to see a time when the poor or the elderly were denied the right to vote.

Again wtf are people thinking when they say things like "old people's fault" "poor, uneducated people's fault.

I hear people being lambasted for being right wing and wonder WTAF people are thinking, because from where I am sitting the rhetoric coming from remainers is the worst thing I have ever heard.

Voting Leave legitimised those voices, which was highly clear given the rhetoric during the campaign and the way the government is going now.

The highest level of net immigration in decades just passed them by?

If you live in an area that is 98% white British then yes I'd say it probably would pass you by.

History will be created by whoever is in power and they will say what they like about whoever they want.

Again wtf are people thinking when they say things like "old people's fault" "poor, uneducated people's fault.

It is the poor that will suffer the most from Brexit.

Badders123

"I'm not racist!!" Leavers bleat
"I just happen to share the views of rabidly right wing racist bigots. It's a total coincidence!!"

that excuse ain't gonna fly in the future^

Ah, so we'll be practising collective guilt by association in the future? How very liberal of you! Can you think of any unfortunate unintended consequences of that view?

There's an analogy here somewhere....
www.indy100.com/article/man-dies-drinking-bottle-tequila-bet-nightclub-dare-bet-7612201

Yes comfort. Some of this attitude is very worrying.