Stop the silence

[Niamer]

We have heard much talk about "the will of the people" recently. If you are not one of the people supporting the Tory hard Brexit or "Brexit at any cost", you may be interested in "Stop the silence", which gives a voice to the rest of us - those who voted Leave thinking of a Norway-style model, those who thought they were saving the NHS, those who voted Remain. Please like on FB and re-tweet.
www.stopthesilence.co.uk

Peregina
No I said I doubted their claim, as a direct response to their evasiveness and their sarcastic responses. Which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. As I am new to this website. Am I correct for thinking this isn't a place for critical thought?

Is critical thought an issue? A crime? Do you hold yourself as being an officer in the thought crime division.

Peregrina
Ah I'll add inconsistency to my feelings about your position. Should I go and quote all the personal attacks that have been flying around so you can properly sanitise this thread or is it only the people you disagree with that you feel the need to sanitise.

Can't have all those dissenting opinions now, can we?

Can't have all those dissenting opinions now, can we

Dissenting opinions are brilliant if they are truthful and humane.

Oh for heaven's sake, educate yourself:

Little Englander
noun
a person who opposes an international role or policy for England (or, in practice, for Britain).

So by slows definition...Loads of little englanders voted leave

Of course yiu can also have remainers who are little englanders but may have been 'frightened' to vote leave

Woman12345

Define humane? I'd say it's rather subjective and often refers to individualistic moralistic or ethical standpoints. What is or isn't humane is nearly always open for debate. Not a very good standard by which to objectively define something.

Then again it is likely that is the exact reason you include that term.

Why does a dissenting opinion have to be humane. What if it's decidedly inhumane, but based on empirical truth. Do we then ban facts?

Is it not reasonable to assume someone who is being deliberately evasive could very well be misrepresenting the truth?

But loads of remainers and leavers want us to have an international voice

So they are not little englanders

I am not a little englander

Some people are little englanders

Just getting it straight

What is truth?

Dissenting opinions are brilliant if they fit the left wing Remainer view. Otherwise they are verboten.

Dissenting from what?

Woman12345
That which can be proven through empirical examination. It's not such a difficult concept. Though some truths can only be discerned through rational processes, however rationalism relies on existence to operate in a rationally intuitive manner. Unfortunately that isn't always the case, thus I prefer empiricism.

comfortandjoyce

Even though I am ostensibly left wing. I am saddened to have to admit that you are indeed correct. The left has become so far out of touch with reality, we only have to see the overreaction to Brexit and Trump to know this.

That which can be proven through empirical examination.
Like what?

comfort

What about the right wing remainer view?

What about the right wing remainer view?
Which 7 months ago was the majority of the conservative party.

Yes woman

I think comfort just meant to type remainer

Rather than left wing remainer and leaving right wing remainers out

Which is a bit sad

'Little African, Little Indian, Little Jew..... Stop me when you consider my point to be offensive.

You know mocking someone based on their national identity is perfectly reasonable. So pray tell, what is your nationality? If you happen to be a second generation immigrant, what are your parent nationality? Let me mock that. If you are indeed British through and through. Then indeed we are lost as a nation.'

Good call Biggsy!

Yes - why is it OK to only mock a UK citizen as being a 'Little Englander' and not OK to mock another nationality?

Why is it OK to mock anyone?

Sapphire - I also think there's a strong strain of British apathy – see something happen you're not happy with, moan about it and then shrug your shoulders and just say 'Oh well'/'Typical'/'Nothing changes, does it?' etc.

Yes. And I'm willing to bet there are literally millions of people who cast their vote on 23rd June and haven't given Brexit a further thought. Furthermore, if they lose their jobs, see their standard of living fall, can't find social care for their elderly relative because of staff shortages, etc., they will still not make a connection. Most people are just not very engaged with politics or understand the bigger picture.

twofingers - I fully agree.

No I said I doubted their claim, as a direct response to their evasiveness and their sarcastic responses. Which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. As I am new to this website. Am I correct for thinking this isn't a place for critical thought?

Welcome to Mumsnet biggsy.
There is plenty of room for critical thought on MN. Blatant aggression - like your debut post, demanding that a regular poster "suck it up, buttercup" - is tolerated rather less.

Don't know about you Biggsy but I am British through and through, well being empirical, apart from the great grandmother and grandfather who were Irish, and then there were all the other ethnicities that emerged when my parents did the rip off DNA Ancestry test, including, rather excitingly, South Sea Islander. They were very disappointed to find that in spite of all the rape and pillage they had not got as much Viking blood as they would have liked being full blooded northerners, but quite a lot of Anglo Saxon soft southerner-

There you go though in empirical terms English national identity and race is confusingly fluid isn't it, as this Infinite Monkey cage explored www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06ybg84

However if you are exploring it in ethnological terms then "Little Englander" is as already highlighted a reasonable and widely understood term for a group of people with a shared culture and values. Of course if you perceive that as derogatory then clearly you have an issue with being seen to share that culture and values?

By the way as you are new to Mumsnet you really should refer to the Talk Guidelines, just common courtesy really, no personal attacks , trying to elicit personal details etc. Otherwise you find yourself deleted.....

This is hilarious! A Brexiteer pretending that they don't have a voice!

You couldn't make it up!