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To wonder if there are any Leave voters who actually are having second thoughts about Brexit

513 replies

Bearbehind · 17/02/2017 19:42

Following Tony Blairs call for Remainers to convince Leavers to change their mind I'm wondering if there are actually any Leavers who are worried and might prefer us not to be going in the direction we are heading.

From what I've seen Leavers are more determined than ever and really don't seem in the slightest bit concerned about any negative repercussions so they're not going to be swayed.

Who is Blair aiming his comments at?

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ReleaseTheBats · 17/02/2017 21:41

I think there aren't many who would admit they had changed there minds as the debate has been (and continues to be) bitter and polarised and it would be hard to back down. But in the privacy of the polling booth? Taking into account the blatant lies told by the Leave campaign along with the barefaced way they admitted them? I think perhaps quite a lot

Eh? No lies told by the remain campaign? No Project Fear? No trying to paint anyone thinking of voting leave as a racist idiot?

Brokenbiscuit · 17/02/2017 21:47

I don't think that many would change their minds at the moment. We haven't really felt the effects of Brexit yet, and lots of people seem to that that means there won't be much of an impact. Give them a few years, and I'll bet that most leave voters will regret their decision. I doubt they'll admit it though.

AnnaForbes · 17/02/2017 21:55

Voted out and world do again. a close relative voted remain and wishes she had voted out.

SuperSheepdog · 17/02/2017 22:01

I know more remainers who are either on the fence now or are keen to leave.

80sMum · 17/02/2017 22:02

I know one Leaver who would vote Remain if given a 2nd chance and one person who didn't bother voting who wishes they had and would vote Remain now if they could.

NataliaOsipova · 17/02/2017 22:04

No. Probably not. That's their opinion, isn't it....?

Eolian · 17/02/2017 22:07

My mum voted leave. Then the next day she said "But I didn't think it would actually happen!" I think lots of people voted leave as a kind of protest vote, an "I'm pissed iff with everything, so I'll express my pissed-offness by voting Brexit" vote. And are now too embarrassed to admit that's all it was.

SwedishEdith · 17/02/2017 22:08

I never really get the "voted to Remain, wish I'd voted Leave" argument. What are they upset about?

cardibach · 17/02/2017 22:15

Release No lies told by the remain campaign? No Project Fear? No trying to paint anyone thinking of voting leave as a racist idiot?
A) I don't think Remain lied. It's hard to tell really, as they were talking about what will/might happen when we left the EU. As this hasn't happened yet, we can't be sure. They certainly haven't been exposed in outright, barefaced, deliberate falsehood as Leave have. In any case, we are discussing changes in the Leave vote which might be caused by Leave's lies. It's a bit irrelevant what Remain did or do don't do in this context.
B) I don't think it was Remain who made Leave look racist. I think it was Leave - Farage and that bloody disgraceful poster, for example.

tabulahrasa · 17/02/2017 22:17

"I never really get the "voted to Remain, wish I'd voted Leave" argument. What are they upset about?"

The vote going the way they now want it to, obviously? Because their vote would have, um?....made some sort of difference, lol

Brokenbiscuit · 17/02/2017 22:17

I never really get the "voted to Remain, wish I'd voted Leave" argument. What are they upset about?

I don't get this either, Swedish.

Wanted to be on the winning side, maybe?

EveningShadows · 17/02/2017 22:18

I know a anecdotally of Leave voters who've changed their mind, but thankfully all my friends are Remain voters and none of us have changed our minds .

ReleaseTheBats · 17/02/2017 22:24

It's a bit irrelevant what Remain did or do don't do in this context

No, it isn't. The OP asked about whether people who voted leave would vote remain or leave if the referendum was rerun. Lots of pp have made the point that people who voted remain might also change their vote. Therefore lies told by both sides are relevant.

B) I don't think it was Remain who made Leave look racist. I think it was Leave - Farage and that bloody disgraceful poster, for example

Well, yes, if you believe in judging 17 million plus people by the actions of a handful.

I don't personally, I believe in judging people according to their own actions.

ReleaseTheBats · 17/02/2017 22:30

"I never really get the "voted to Remain, wish I'd voted Leave" argument. What are they upset about?"

I imagine what these people are trying to express is that they did not want the UK to stay in the EU, but decided to vote remain because they were told that 1) the seven plagues will descend upon us if we leave and b) they must be a xenophobe to even be thinking of voting leave.

Now it is clear that these are not true, they are perhaps regretting that they allowed themselves to be influenced by these tactics.

Just a theory - I'm not in that position so I don't know.

Okite · 17/02/2017 22:30

I know a couple of people who voted leave who were shocked when they won and shocked when the implications started to become clear because they hadn't really thought about it. They wish they had voted remain. I think the vast majority of people will just dig their heels in though and stick with whatever they originally voted. And as we are not out yet, there's a long time to go before we actually feel the true impact.

TulipsInAJug · 17/02/2017 22:35

Voted leave, as did DH, we haven't changed our minds and I don't know any other Leavers who have changed their minds.

Tony Blair had done Brexit a favour by sticking his nose in to where it's not wanted or needed. What an abhorrent man he is.

Iflyaway · 17/02/2017 22:36

But I want to know what exactly is on the table before I would vote again.

Well, you don't know do you, cos it's never been done before...

cardibach · 17/02/2017 22:37

People might have made that point, Release, but my comment was in response to the OP, which was about Leave voters. This tactic of reflecting back on the opposition seems to be a real habit at the moment. Trump supporters are still going 'Yeah, well, Hilary...' at any criticism.
As for not judging by Farage, he really isn't the only obvious racist on the Leave side, is he? I don't think all Leave voters are racist but, as has been said before, all racists were Leave voters. Or at the very least the vast majority of racists. Much of the Leave rhetoric was racist.

SwedishEdith · 17/02/2017 22:38

There were plenty of posters on here saying they were voting Leave to piss off Cameron (cos, like, yeah he'll be really personally harmed) even though they didn't want to leave. Not many are going to admit it here (anywhere except a ballot box?) though.

MarciaBlaine · 17/02/2017 22:38

I still don't see how so called "project fear" which is mainly economic forecasting and based on likely effects of Brexit, can be put in the same league as the outright lies told by the Brexit camp. Anyone with half a brain cell can must surely know by now that the EU won't give us what we want and that we already trade with all the countries we want to be doing business with. And that we need an immigrant work force etc etc.

Livelovebehappy · 17/02/2017 22:39

Nope. I voted leave and still firmly believe I made the absolutely right decision.

phoenix1973 · 17/02/2017 22:41

No.
Tony Blair had already signed our army over to Europe in the event that we remained.
It's Tony Blairs fault this country is in such a state. His policies discouraged dysfunctional families and eroded work ethic and solid relationships.
He agreed the Human Rights Bill purely to generate never ending income for his trout of a wife. Caused no end of red tape all to feather his own nest.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
How he has the audacity to rear his head above the parapet I do not know.
It always surprised me that nobody ever topped the man.

UterusUterusGhali · 17/02/2017 22:43

I don't think anyone will admit regretting it, although I know plenty of people who seem incandescent at what it will actually entail.

They seem too happy at being able to use the "throwing toys out of pram" phrase ad nauseum.

Karmaisabitch · 17/02/2017 22:44

Nope, not changed my mind at all.

jellyfrizz · 17/02/2017 22:45

I never really get the "voted to Remain, wish I'd voted Leave" argument. What are they upset about?

That they could have added legitimacy to the incredibly narrow win?

Most of the leavers I know voted that way because they thought the NHS would get more funding.

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