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Westministenders: Boris is reminded of the Munich Post.

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RedToothBrush · 07/02/2017 11:36

The Munich Post was the 1930s German Newspaper that refused to normalise. It refused to bow to the threats and intimidation of the Nazi State. It was to eventually closed but it defended the truth to the bitter end.

With Trump’s systematic attacks on the Press and Judiciary we should take heed. We must stand up for our journalists who seek to serve the public rather than serve their masters and only chase profit.

We must ask why, right wing extremists when they make attacks are too frequently labelled simply as lone wolfs who exist within a vacuum, when it is widely accepted by intelligence services that Muslim extremists are often the products of online radicalisation and any element of mental history is totally irrelevant because of their religion.

The PM hiring advertising agents to try and deal with a problem of increasing racial tensions rather than talking to the newspaper executives who she has close relationships with, is a deliberate missing of the point.

It is an abdication of responsibility and is wilfully ignorant.

It is about time we addressed the hole of hatred in our society that exists properly. From all angles and approaches, from all parts of our society. The blind spot in failing to acknowledge how the media’s role in this only serves to fuel the divisions. It has become normalised. Powerful lobbying groups like the Freedom Association continue to deny that populism has contributed to a rise in hate crime pointing to a dislike for how incidents are recorded. Their influence in Westminster is too apparent.

Some of the comments made in the houses of commons and to the media by Tory MPs have been worryingly close to comments made by Trump and his associates. They have been worryingly close to online trolls. They have been laced with too many ‘alternative facts’ and full of exaggerated language about immigrants. Language, its use and context are important and powerful.

These are elected officials with a social responsibility. Instead they are continue to stir things. We no longer need Farage and worry about UKIP. We have a whole bunch of them in the HoC and a quick trawl though Hansard reveals them in all their glory. To a privileged white man they are Trump apologists. During the debate over Trump’s visit to the UK, one even thought it appropriate to woof at a female MP. In 2017.

We might be very British in the way our alternative facts are being expressed but the same threats are very much present within British politics as they are currently in US politics. We might not have anyone quite as brash and brazen as Trump (with the possible exception of Farage), but this makes it more not less dangerous. People like IDS and Johnson add respectably to the thin veneer of hatred and xenophobia.

A50 is likely to pass the commons, without amendment as things stand. (I think we need to watch the Lords with interest) We are perhaps likely to enter a period where things might quieten down in the UK for a time. We must be vigilant and not accept normalisation and continue to make noise about how we feel about the future of this country or we will be dominated by the agenda of these individuals who have little respect for the interests of anyone who is not part of their boys club.

Theresa May may not be one of them, but like Trump she craves their approval and does share many of their values. She is happy to pander to them, and them to her as she makes their toxicity somehow more acceptable.

What women do next is crucial. Do we want to accept this vision of the future? Now is not the time to fall silence and accept that things are equal now. We know the reality. And it affects all of us, regardless of how we voted on 23rd June.

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RedToothBrush · 08/02/2017 11:40

How can you dismiss the loss of democracy when you don't understand what democracy is and buy this 'will of the people' crap?

Oh.

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BigChocFrenzy · 08/02/2017 11:40

Cameron should be punished by going down in history as the Uk's most incompetent PM
With his arrogance, that would be the worst punishment for him - his place in history as a disastrous, bungling incompetent
What the playing fields of Eton have done to this country over the decades ....

NotDavidTennant · 08/02/2017 11:45

Just a little reminder here that the statutory penalty for treason is death.

No it isn't.

boredofbrexit · 08/02/2017 11:46

I agree BCF

SemiPermanent · 08/02/2017 11:48

Agree BigChoc.

boredofbrexit · 08/02/2017 11:48

Theres something a bit out with your legal knowledge CdV. What is your sector? Did you say PI?

NotDavidTennant · 08/02/2017 11:48

Why do these threads have to periodically go into a phase of competitive catastrophising?

SemiPermanent · 08/02/2017 11:50

It is the way of things NDT.

Collective hysteria, I think it's a known phenomena.

SemiPermanent · 08/02/2017 11:51

In fact, it is (just googled):

"...In sociology and psychology, mass hysteria (also known as collective hysteria, group hysteria, or collectiveobsessional behavior) is a phenomenon that transmits collective illusions of threats, whether real or imaginary, through a population in society as a result of rumors and fear (memory acknowledgment)..."

woman12345 · 08/02/2017 11:58

Gratuitous cruelty and ignorance evidenced is a useful indicator.

RedToothBrush · 08/02/2017 11:59

"...In sociology and psychology, mass hysteria (also known as collective hysteria, group hysteria, or collectiveobsessional behavior) is a phenomenon that transmits collective illusions of threats, whether real or imaginary, through a population in society as a result of rumors and fear (memory acknowledgment)..."

You mean like 'take back control'?

And all these immigrants coming over here and taking our jobs whilst simultaneously scrounging benefits and being benefits tourists?

And refugees = terrorists?

And the EU stole our parliamentary sovereignty?

And Turkey are going to join the EU and all come to the UK?

Ok then.

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boredofbrexit · 08/02/2017 12:01

Slow down a bit RTB, you lost me at take back control

RedToothBrush · 08/02/2017 12:01

Up to the referendum?

You mean its finished?

Missed that memo.

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RedToothBrush · 08/02/2017 12:02

Hahaha,

Well if you think we took back control wait a couple of years.

You won't admit it even then, but you'll know it deep down.

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Peregrina · 08/02/2017 12:05

And Turkey are going to join the EU and all come to the UK?

It will be very funny if Theresa May, in her desperate desire to get trade deals, does one with Turkey which gives extra visas to Turkish citizens and allows them to come here.

SemiPermanent · 08/02/2017 12:05

#PrayForDiane

Westministenders: Boris is reminded of the Munich Post.
HashiAsLarry · 08/02/2017 12:06

Perfect description of the pre-Brexit and pre-Trump run ups. Illusions are real now though, its all about how you feel. Like the feeling of lack of sovereignty etc.

RedToothBrush · 08/02/2017 12:10

Don't forget global warming is fake news.

Shame we never gave nature the memo.

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Between4and30characters · 08/02/2017 12:13

I now wonder if feminists, people of colour and all those groups helped by "pc" have just been conned for decades into voting for a left that has always secretly despised them, but now feel it is ok to say so

Interesting point BigChoc

I actually feel very similarly about the less educated, less skilled working class, the distain towards which some in the Labour have shown following the referendum is shocking.

There aren't enough of the old manual workers class to support a main party under FPTP. So it would mean the death of the Labour party as a serious force if it abandons the groups who depend on pc to level the ground

I think the same is true of both the groups helped by pc and the working class, and the point is that the Labour party needs to reinvent itself with some kind of credible left wing politics which works for all.

Peregrina · 08/02/2017 12:18

Old Labour was too male dominated in heavy manual industries. They could do much much more to support women workers. These are the ones who are suffering most from the Tory austerity cuts. Sadly Labour's record isn't good in that area.

boredofbrexit · 08/02/2017 12:31

I would be fine with PC if we got rid of the P

boredofbrexit · 08/02/2017 13:04

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