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Westministenders: Boris is reminded of the Munich Post.

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RedToothBrush · 07/02/2017 11:36

The Munich Post was the 1930s German Newspaper that refused to normalise. It refused to bow to the threats and intimidation of the Nazi State. It was to eventually closed but it defended the truth to the bitter end.

With Trump’s systematic attacks on the Press and Judiciary we should take heed. We must stand up for our journalists who seek to serve the public rather than serve their masters and only chase profit.

We must ask why, right wing extremists when they make attacks are too frequently labelled simply as lone wolfs who exist within a vacuum, when it is widely accepted by intelligence services that Muslim extremists are often the products of online radicalisation and any element of mental history is totally irrelevant because of their religion.

The PM hiring advertising agents to try and deal with a problem of increasing racial tensions rather than talking to the newspaper executives who she has close relationships with, is a deliberate missing of the point.

It is an abdication of responsibility and is wilfully ignorant.

It is about time we addressed the hole of hatred in our society that exists properly. From all angles and approaches, from all parts of our society. The blind spot in failing to acknowledge how the media’s role in this only serves to fuel the divisions. It has become normalised. Powerful lobbying groups like the Freedom Association continue to deny that populism has contributed to a rise in hate crime pointing to a dislike for how incidents are recorded. Their influence in Westminster is too apparent.

Some of the comments made in the houses of commons and to the media by Tory MPs have been worryingly close to comments made by Trump and his associates. They have been worryingly close to online trolls. They have been laced with too many ‘alternative facts’ and full of exaggerated language about immigrants. Language, its use and context are important and powerful.

These are elected officials with a social responsibility. Instead they are continue to stir things. We no longer need Farage and worry about UKIP. We have a whole bunch of them in the HoC and a quick trawl though Hansard reveals them in all their glory. To a privileged white man they are Trump apologists. During the debate over Trump’s visit to the UK, one even thought it appropriate to woof at a female MP. In 2017.

We might be very British in the way our alternative facts are being expressed but the same threats are very much present within British politics as they are currently in US politics. We might not have anyone quite as brash and brazen as Trump (with the possible exception of Farage), but this makes it more not less dangerous. People like IDS and Johnson add respectably to the thin veneer of hatred and xenophobia.

A50 is likely to pass the commons, without amendment as things stand. (I think we need to watch the Lords with interest) We are perhaps likely to enter a period where things might quieten down in the UK for a time. We must be vigilant and not accept normalisation and continue to make noise about how we feel about the future of this country or we will be dominated by the agenda of these individuals who have little respect for the interests of anyone who is not part of their boys club.

Theresa May may not be one of them, but like Trump she craves their approval and does share many of their values. She is happy to pander to them, and them to her as she makes their toxicity somehow more acceptable.

What women do next is crucial. Do we want to accept this vision of the future? Now is not the time to fall silence and accept that things are equal now. We know the reality. And it affects all of us, regardless of how we voted on 23rd June.

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CathKidding · 09/02/2017 14:02

Wow breaking news boredofbrexit you do seem well plugged in. Do you do anything else apart form posting on Westministenders? You seem awfully committed, just like Semi Wink Wink

Badders123 · 09/02/2017 14:03

Bored...hang around the school gate or local cafe...peregrina is right
Most voters have no idea what's going on and they voted for it
I've heard things that make me 😤 😳
Use terms like single market and FOM and see their eyes glaze over....
Do leave voters really think it will all be ok as long as we do trade deals with the US and Turkey?
If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas...

Peregrina · 09/02/2017 14:03

For someone who is apparently bored with Brexit, it's a strange user name.

Badders123 · 09/02/2017 14:04

...and I have to say I'm staggered by those leavers who think trump will do ANYTHING for us!
Once he gets his royal visit out of the way he will forget us

Badders123 · 09/02/2017 14:05

Oh! I am! Love Jamie too
the Glasgow mafia
😂

HashiAsLarry · 09/02/2017 14:05

The issue with a polarising vote is that no one actually falls one way or the other.

We have
Hard remainers -> middling remainers -> moderate remainers -> genuinely haven't a clue with way possibly didn't voters -> moderate leavers -> middling leavers -> hard leavers

Given the small majority, a sensible government would be aiming to appease the moderate to middling leavers in the main, knowing that the don't knows and moderate remainers will also probably be largely appeased by this too. Therefore coming up with a policy that is approved by the vast majority of your electorate.

But this government is hitting straight into hard leaver territory. Making everyone from middling to moderate leavers down 'liberal lefties'. They are actively encouraging polarisation and them v us. If you're not hard right you aren't a person anymore.

Kaija · 09/02/2017 14:05

I can't argue with many of Wes Streeting's aims in his article. What a shame that while they might have been difficult to achieve under normal circumstances, with the reduced tax revenue resulting from a hard Brexit and the most right wing government in living memory, they are now almost certainly impossible.

Badders123 · 09/02/2017 14:05

Letwin?
Make TM look like Glenda Jackson

Badders123 · 09/02/2017 14:06

Agree hashi

Tanith · 09/02/2017 14:07

Boredofbrexit it's still a democratic right in this country to present our views to both our MPs and to members of the House of Lords.

I'm at a loss to understand why anyone who believes in democracy would discourage us from exercising that democratic right.

You yourself have that same democratic right (I presume). There's nothing to stop you exercising that right yourself instead of seeking to undermine the intentions of others.

HashiAsLarry · 09/02/2017 14:07

Abolishing the Lords now. Ah that's number 74 on things that weren't on the fucking ballot paper.

Kaija · 09/02/2017 14:07

For many leavers it seems democracy was a once in a lifetime event.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 09/02/2017 14:09

badders

make TM look like Glenda Jackson Shock

I wish they would make a new The thick of it Sad

And i agree (again) with hashi i am probably a moderate remainer

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 09/02/2017 14:12

Wondered why some people want to abolish the HOL and had a quick double check of what their role is

checking and challenging the work of the government.

Now i understand why they want to get rid

Peregrina · 09/02/2017 14:13

Funny this, isn't it? Other people seem to have had an 85 page long ballot paper and when the results were announced it was Hard Brexit.

HashiAsLarry · 09/02/2017 14:16

I'm beginning to suspect Harry Potter style magic here. Nothing but the first question unless you voted to leave in which case your opinion did matter so all these extra questions came up Grin

Peregrina · 09/02/2017 14:17

Now i understand why they want to get rid

In the extremely unlikely event of a Labour Government getting in in the near future they would change their tune PDQ. As quick as those Tory MPs who voted Remain suddenly turned their coats and started pretending they supported Leave all along.

WrongTrouser · 09/02/2017 14:21

I suggest you are wrong, and that the vast majority of the populace don't give a shiny shit. The vote was last year, they think we've left the EU. What's happening on Strictly Come Dancing or Big Brother is the most vital thing happening in their lives

Goodness gracious Sad

boredofbrexit · 09/02/2017 14:21

Cath I work on a screen that has breaking news on a ticker tape. HTH

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 09/02/2017 14:23

I am watching David Brent life on the road (again)

I have no tickertape Sad

boredofbrexit · 09/02/2017 14:25

life goes on without one RufusWink

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 09/02/2017 14:26

So ive heard bored so ive heard

WrongTrouser · 09/02/2017 14:29

Interesting that on this thread leavers are being criticised for both not giving a shiny and being too "committed".

They just need to get back to their reality TV don't they and let the grown ups sort it out Hmm

HashiAsLarry · 09/02/2017 14:32

vast majority of populace does not equal leavers.
though I suppose it does, given non leavers aren't people.

WrongTrouser · 09/02/2017 14:34

I don't know who posted that 80% of the population want the government to guarantee existing EU nationals in the UK residence rights, but that's not correct.

80% want to guarantee these rights if the EU does likewise for UK nationals in the EU.

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