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Westministenders: Boris is reminded of the Munich Post.

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RedToothBrush · 07/02/2017 11:36

The Munich Post was the 1930s German Newspaper that refused to normalise. It refused to bow to the threats and intimidation of the Nazi State. It was to eventually closed but it defended the truth to the bitter end.

With Trump’s systematic attacks on the Press and Judiciary we should take heed. We must stand up for our journalists who seek to serve the public rather than serve their masters and only chase profit.

We must ask why, right wing extremists when they make attacks are too frequently labelled simply as lone wolfs who exist within a vacuum, when it is widely accepted by intelligence services that Muslim extremists are often the products of online radicalisation and any element of mental history is totally irrelevant because of their religion.

The PM hiring advertising agents to try and deal with a problem of increasing racial tensions rather than talking to the newspaper executives who she has close relationships with, is a deliberate missing of the point.

It is an abdication of responsibility and is wilfully ignorant.

It is about time we addressed the hole of hatred in our society that exists properly. From all angles and approaches, from all parts of our society. The blind spot in failing to acknowledge how the media’s role in this only serves to fuel the divisions. It has become normalised. Powerful lobbying groups like the Freedom Association continue to deny that populism has contributed to a rise in hate crime pointing to a dislike for how incidents are recorded. Their influence in Westminster is too apparent.

Some of the comments made in the houses of commons and to the media by Tory MPs have been worryingly close to comments made by Trump and his associates. They have been worryingly close to online trolls. They have been laced with too many ‘alternative facts’ and full of exaggerated language about immigrants. Language, its use and context are important and powerful.

These are elected officials with a social responsibility. Instead they are continue to stir things. We no longer need Farage and worry about UKIP. We have a whole bunch of them in the HoC and a quick trawl though Hansard reveals them in all their glory. To a privileged white man they are Trump apologists. During the debate over Trump’s visit to the UK, one even thought it appropriate to woof at a female MP. In 2017.

We might be very British in the way our alternative facts are being expressed but the same threats are very much present within British politics as they are currently in US politics. We might not have anyone quite as brash and brazen as Trump (with the possible exception of Farage), but this makes it more not less dangerous. People like IDS and Johnson add respectably to the thin veneer of hatred and xenophobia.

A50 is likely to pass the commons, without amendment as things stand. (I think we need to watch the Lords with interest) We are perhaps likely to enter a period where things might quieten down in the UK for a time. We must be vigilant and not accept normalisation and continue to make noise about how we feel about the future of this country or we will be dominated by the agenda of these individuals who have little respect for the interests of anyone who is not part of their boys club.

Theresa May may not be one of them, but like Trump she craves their approval and does share many of their values. She is happy to pander to them, and them to her as she makes their toxicity somehow more acceptable.

What women do next is crucial. Do we want to accept this vision of the future? Now is not the time to fall silence and accept that things are equal now. We know the reality. And it affects all of us, regardless of how we voted on 23rd June.

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prettybird · 08/02/2017 18:58

My mum developed head-injury induced fronto temporal dementia.

What was saddest about it is that she never lost her memories (she always knew who we were) but she lost her ability to care about them.

She was recovering from her head injury but it was actually her speech therapist who noted that her language ability had started to deteriorate again (she was one the unlucky few in whom the healing process doesn't stop so her fronto temporal head injury became fronto temporal dementia Sad). From being a retired and very popular English teacher with a wide and varied vocabulary, her speech became restricted and hyperbolic (I always looked "spectacular"). A formerly avid reader, she lost any interest in reading.

Interestingly, in view of Trump's bathmophobia, one of the reasons she eventually went into a home was that her balance went and she was falling regularly. By the end she could barely stand up and couldn't walk.

The only saving grace - something to bear in mind with Trump? maybe not given that Pence is 2nd in line Hmm - is that the prognosis is not good. Early onset/rapid onset fronto temporal dementia tends to have a prognosis of 2 to 10 years. Mum's accident was 10 years ago; 2 years of recovery; diagnosed with f-t dementia 2.5 years after the accident (probably started developing it after 2 years); died 3 years later, 5 years ago Sad

It's not something I would wish on my worse enemy Sad

HashiAsLarry · 08/02/2017 19:00

Flowers to all those dealing with or having dealt with dementia suffering relatives

Being condemned by the CoE is a pretty good sign the government has taken an inhuman stance.

whatwouldrondo · 08/02/2017 19:07

A really good article by Isabel Hilton in Newsweek on Xi and his sudden changed role on the world stage. If anyone wonders why it is relevant to Brexit, how the world's top two economies play together on trade affects us all. europe.newsweek.com/beijing-global-champion-free-trade-us-trump-tpp-550502

It is annoying to see Bercow criticised for hypocracy meeting Xi but refusing to meet Trump. As represssive as Xi is domestically, he is only a part of the problem, market forces were unleashed relatively recently and with them all sorts of cultural forces rooted in Chinese history, such as treating people as commodities, the role of secret societies such as the Triads. It is not easily understood from a western perspective, it makes sense to engage to encourage change, rather than take the moral high ground. Trump however is POTUS, a country that we have shared liberal values with for hundreds of years and he is taking the west to a much darker place.

ElenaGreco123 · 08/02/2017 19:08

My friend's DH has early onset frontal lobe dementia. Even my 8-year-old DS found this illness scarier than any monster when I explained it to him.

Flowers from me as well to all of you who have / had loved ones with dementia.

whatwouldrondo · 08/02/2017 19:11

Adding more flowers Flowers We have just been learning first hand.

SemiPermanent · 08/02/2017 19:11

Echoing Hashi & others, Flowers to all those who have been affected by dementia.
It's a cruel thing.
Xxx

Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 19:20

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CeciledeVolanges · 08/02/2017 19:32

I'm sorry. It is the most devastating illness.

Peregrina · 08/02/2017 19:35

DF went the same way too - it's absolute misery for all concerned. The worst thing was, he had enough memory to know he was losing it.

woman12345 · 08/02/2017 19:36

Flowers to all helping others with this awful disease.
Channel 4 running an item on teen grooming by alt right. On now and interesting.

woman12345 · 08/02/2017 19:49

I'll upload link when it comes up but the alt right has been grooming children for last 7 years on internet. Britain First has certainly gone after teens here. Extremist grooming is supposed to be challenged through Child Protection law. Race relations law seems to have been repealed.
Young man now on channel 4 news threatening opposing speaker with rape. Gish galloping and insulting.
Very interesting. There has been a generation quietly indoctrinated. Interesting.

mathanxiety · 08/02/2017 19:49

Flowers to those affected.

woman12345 · 08/02/2017 20:21

@PolhomeEditor
BREAKING: MPs vote 494 to 122 in favour of triggering Article 50. Follow all the latest right here

So grooming the children was worth it Teresa.

woman12345 · 08/02/2017 20:23

Nigel Farage after claimed the Leave party had emerged victorious in the EU referendum “without a single bullet being fired” . Hmm

HashiAsLarry · 08/02/2017 20:30

David Lammy:
We may reflect on last 3 days in Parliament differently if the PM comes back with a bad deal in 2019 & Parliament vote is take it or no deal
In the last 3 days our sovereign Parliament, under pretence of taking back control, has handed all control over to Europe with no recourse

lalalonglegs · 08/02/2017 20:32

That claim still makes me furious, woman Angry. Callous as well as mendacious.

Peregrina · 08/02/2017 20:36

Are you talking about Farage's claim about not a single bullet being fired? I protested to my MP - Nicola Blackwood, about that. Needless to say, she ignored that part of the letter.

Between4and30characters · 08/02/2017 20:36

woman I don't understand you leap of logic from

I'll upload link when it comes up but the alt right has been grooming children for last 7 years on internet. Britain First has certainly gone after teens here. Extremist grooming is supposed to be challenged through Child Protection law

to

So grooming the children was worth it Teresa

Are you calling TM the alt-right now?

Corcory · 08/02/2017 20:56

Woman - Grooming children has absolutely nothing to do with the leave campaign. The alt - right has nothing to do with TM. Making inflammatory comments will get you no where.

HashiAsLarry · 08/02/2017 20:58

Clive Lewis has stepped down from the shadow cabinet.

lalalonglegs · 08/02/2017 21:10

Yes, I was referring to Farage, Peregrina Smile.

Clive Lewis left it a bit fucking late, if you ask me, Hashi and thanks for the David Lammy tweet, he is absolutely right. Cameron was an arrogant idiot to call this referendum but the way that our MPs have allowed the government to roll through this extreme Brexit with barely a murmur of dissent is possibly worse. Cowards, absolutely spineless, lily-livered, self-interested, wilting, disorganised, myopic, responsibility-shirking cowards.

Peregrina · 08/02/2017 21:11

I think the point is that whilst Islamic Radicalisation has received a lot of attention, very little has been given to the right wing fascism developing in this country.

You say the alt-right has nothing to do with TM but I disagree. Her failure to speak out condemns her. When the Mail attacked the judges she wittered about a free press but didn't say that the Mail was out of order. When Trump introduced his 7 country anti Muslim ban, conveniently missing out Saudi Arabia from that, she had an answer dragged out of her that it was an internal affair of the US - an answer straight out of an appeasers text book. It took Mo Farah to explain it succinctly for a slightly better answer to be forthcoming. Even then Boris Johnson's guarantee was that it wouldn't affect British citizens - thus implying that racial intolerance is acceptable overall.

HashiAsLarry · 08/02/2017 21:12

Totally agree lala. Bunch of spineless @$$$£%%@!££

HashiAsLarry · 08/02/2017 21:13

TM may not be alt-right herself, but she's more than happy to pander to them so long as she retains power.

BestIsWest · 08/02/2017 21:13

So how did Diane Abbott vote? Did she hang round for it this time?