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Westministenders: Boris is reminded of the Munich Post.

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RedToothBrush · 07/02/2017 11:36

The Munich Post was the 1930s German Newspaper that refused to normalise. It refused to bow to the threats and intimidation of the Nazi State. It was to eventually closed but it defended the truth to the bitter end.

With Trump’s systematic attacks on the Press and Judiciary we should take heed. We must stand up for our journalists who seek to serve the public rather than serve their masters and only chase profit.

We must ask why, right wing extremists when they make attacks are too frequently labelled simply as lone wolfs who exist within a vacuum, when it is widely accepted by intelligence services that Muslim extremists are often the products of online radicalisation and any element of mental history is totally irrelevant because of their religion.

The PM hiring advertising agents to try and deal with a problem of increasing racial tensions rather than talking to the newspaper executives who she has close relationships with, is a deliberate missing of the point.

It is an abdication of responsibility and is wilfully ignorant.

It is about time we addressed the hole of hatred in our society that exists properly. From all angles and approaches, from all parts of our society. The blind spot in failing to acknowledge how the media’s role in this only serves to fuel the divisions. It has become normalised. Powerful lobbying groups like the Freedom Association continue to deny that populism has contributed to a rise in hate crime pointing to a dislike for how incidents are recorded. Their influence in Westminster is too apparent.

Some of the comments made in the houses of commons and to the media by Tory MPs have been worryingly close to comments made by Trump and his associates. They have been worryingly close to online trolls. They have been laced with too many ‘alternative facts’ and full of exaggerated language about immigrants. Language, its use and context are important and powerful.

These are elected officials with a social responsibility. Instead they are continue to stir things. We no longer need Farage and worry about UKIP. We have a whole bunch of them in the HoC and a quick trawl though Hansard reveals them in all their glory. To a privileged white man they are Trump apologists. During the debate over Trump’s visit to the UK, one even thought it appropriate to woof at a female MP. In 2017.

We might be very British in the way our alternative facts are being expressed but the same threats are very much present within British politics as they are currently in US politics. We might not have anyone quite as brash and brazen as Trump (with the possible exception of Farage), but this makes it more not less dangerous. People like IDS and Johnson add respectably to the thin veneer of hatred and xenophobia.

A50 is likely to pass the commons, without amendment as things stand. (I think we need to watch the Lords with interest) We are perhaps likely to enter a period where things might quieten down in the UK for a time. We must be vigilant and not accept normalisation and continue to make noise about how we feel about the future of this country or we will be dominated by the agenda of these individuals who have little respect for the interests of anyone who is not part of their boys club.

Theresa May may not be one of them, but like Trump she craves their approval and does share many of their values. She is happy to pander to them, and them to her as she makes their toxicity somehow more acceptable.

What women do next is crucial. Do we want to accept this vision of the future? Now is not the time to fall silence and accept that things are equal now. We know the reality. And it affects all of us, regardless of how we voted on 23rd June.

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BestIsWest · 08/02/2017 21:15

.@pasquires Think again, chopper dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3… @jimwaterson

Ken Clarke in response to a report he's stepping down at the next election.

GraceGrape · 08/02/2017 21:19

I believe Diane Abbott showed her face to vote in support of the Bill.

WTF is the point in having a parliament if so many of them clearly vote against what they believe is the national interest? We might as well just have a dictatorship.

Does Putin have a video of TM and Corbyn in bed together or something? I can't fathom what has caused them to go to such extremes.

lalalonglegs · 08/02/2017 21:19

Diane Abbott voted to trigger A50, Best.

BestIsWest · 08/02/2017 21:21

Apparently she sat for a while then Keith Vaz had to take her by the arm and lead her to vote.

lalalonglegs · 08/02/2017 21:26

A very public display of how torn she was Hmm. I wonder if Vaz also took Chuka Umunna's arm as he appears to have voted with the government despite being an outspoken critic of Brexit and having no shadow cabinet post to hold him in line. I am shocked by how low the resistance has been to this.

lalalonglegs · 08/02/2017 21:28

John Rentoul
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Diane Abbott: "The shadow cabinet agreed this week that we would vote for the third reading of triggering article 50 and I did that."

Headfullofdreams · 08/02/2017 21:37

Bet my MP was first in the voting queue, all giddy and excited. Vile creature.

HashiAsLarry · 08/02/2017 21:57

John Bercow and Ken Clarke. The only force of opposition in 2017. Shame on them all.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 22:02

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RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 08/02/2017 22:49

I think its fucking dreadful

I would feel a bit better if i thought any of them were even vaguely competent

And i think we should leave...it would just be good to see a bit of resistance...a bit of 'are we sure about this'...a bit of fucking backbone...spineless fuck nuggets

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 08/02/2017 22:53

I am really sorry

Skipped to the end of the thread and went off on one

Thanks to all those sruggling with dementia

My mum was always very frightened that she would develop it...the only think i think she was afraid of.

She died comparatively young...but not having to deal with her greatest fear is a small mercy

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 08/02/2017 22:54

She would be mortified at my use of the phrase fuck nuggets Blush

CeciledeVolanges · 08/02/2017 23:03

I'm thoroughly behind your phrasing Rufus

boredofbrexit · 09/02/2017 00:45

Posted on the Telegraphs comments page tonight by Leslie Fellows 8 Feb 2017 9:59PM and I think sums up what many people think:
'There has been a continued, concerted effort, in Britain and overseas, since last June. by powerful business-people, and politicians with vested interests, to sabotage and reverse the UK-wide vote for Britain to leave the European Union.
It is surely impossible to believe that the move towards the abolition of the nation state, the removal of national borders and the destruction of national identity have not been the desired objectives of commercial and political elites for decades past. It is also, surely, impossible to believe that this objective was aimed at the happiness and welfare of humankind, but rather at the removal of all obstacles to the maximising of profits and the eventual enslavement, through the destruction of national parliaments, of the world's populations.
In pursuit of this nefarious objective, one of the most remarkable achievements of the forces of politico-economic domination has been to win the support of the liberal-left, especially in the United Kingdom where, as Orwell clearly illustrated, that political faction is distinguished by the hatred it bears for Britain.
It is to be hoped that the Government's victories in the House of Commons this evening mark the turning point in the struggle of ordinary people to halt the erosion of their democratic right to self-determination which took centuries of bloody effort and self-sacrifice to obtain, and which the forces of globalisation have been trying, surreptitiously, to destroy these past forty years.'

Peregrina · 09/02/2017 01:44

Funny to see the arguments of a Lexiter in the Telegraph, but actually being a typical right winger.

Mistigri · 09/02/2017 04:52

the liberal-left, especially in the United Kingdom where, as Orwell clearly illustrated, that political faction is distinguished by the hatred it bears for Britain.

Peddling the idea that political opposition is equivalent to hating your country is the act of a fascist.

HashiAsLarry · 09/02/2017 06:25

Very true mistri
Political opposition is about holding the leading party to account, and to ensure they do the best for the country as a whole. Strong opposition leads to fairer government. Not that 'the people' want fair.

Motheroffourdragons · 09/02/2017 06:39

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TheElementsSong · 09/02/2017 06:41

Agreed Misti.

Also struggle of ordinary people to halt the erosion of their democratic right here being used to mean that 48% are Not People and are chopped liver who do not (and by implication should not) have a voice.

Motheroffourdragons · 09/02/2017 07:00

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TheElementsSong · 09/02/2017 07:22

I'd have more respect for Parliament if they'd all gone "I have seen the light and joined the glorious religion of Brexit, verily it will bring the nation great joy and wealth and Sunlit Uplands and Sovereignty (that we always had) and No Downsides and be all things to all men (except those Remoaning heretics of course, who don't exist) and therefore I have voted in favour of this Bill with No Amendments... Amen."

But no. They're mostly agreeing that it's going to be disastrous for the country, that nearly half the population don't want it (except TM who thinks 65 million people speak with one voice Hmm) and that they're suffering with distressed consciences and heavy hearts. And then all vote for it anyway.

What. The. Actual. Hell.

HashiAsLarry · 09/02/2017 07:30

Or even if a few had publicly come out and said that whilst they weren't sure of this, they've been party to some privileged information that makes it clear that the government have a good robust plan to enact Brexit which makes them trust them.

Motheroffourdragons · 09/02/2017 07:40

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SameProcedureAsEveryYear · 09/02/2017 07:48

Just thought it's fitting since you mentioned Munich ;)

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