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Westministenders: Boris is reminded of the Munich Post.

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RedToothBrush · 07/02/2017 11:36

The Munich Post was the 1930s German Newspaper that refused to normalise. It refused to bow to the threats and intimidation of the Nazi State. It was to eventually closed but it defended the truth to the bitter end.

With Trump’s systematic attacks on the Press and Judiciary we should take heed. We must stand up for our journalists who seek to serve the public rather than serve their masters and only chase profit.

We must ask why, right wing extremists when they make attacks are too frequently labelled simply as lone wolfs who exist within a vacuum, when it is widely accepted by intelligence services that Muslim extremists are often the products of online radicalisation and any element of mental history is totally irrelevant because of their religion.

The PM hiring advertising agents to try and deal with a problem of increasing racial tensions rather than talking to the newspaper executives who she has close relationships with, is a deliberate missing of the point.

It is an abdication of responsibility and is wilfully ignorant.

It is about time we addressed the hole of hatred in our society that exists properly. From all angles and approaches, from all parts of our society. The blind spot in failing to acknowledge how the media’s role in this only serves to fuel the divisions. It has become normalised. Powerful lobbying groups like the Freedom Association continue to deny that populism has contributed to a rise in hate crime pointing to a dislike for how incidents are recorded. Their influence in Westminster is too apparent.

Some of the comments made in the houses of commons and to the media by Tory MPs have been worryingly close to comments made by Trump and his associates. They have been worryingly close to online trolls. They have been laced with too many ‘alternative facts’ and full of exaggerated language about immigrants. Language, its use and context are important and powerful.

These are elected officials with a social responsibility. Instead they are continue to stir things. We no longer need Farage and worry about UKIP. We have a whole bunch of them in the HoC and a quick trawl though Hansard reveals them in all their glory. To a privileged white man they are Trump apologists. During the debate over Trump’s visit to the UK, one even thought it appropriate to woof at a female MP. In 2017.

We might be very British in the way our alternative facts are being expressed but the same threats are very much present within British politics as they are currently in US politics. We might not have anyone quite as brash and brazen as Trump (with the possible exception of Farage), but this makes it more not less dangerous. People like IDS and Johnson add respectably to the thin veneer of hatred and xenophobia.

A50 is likely to pass the commons, without amendment as things stand. (I think we need to watch the Lords with interest) We are perhaps likely to enter a period where things might quieten down in the UK for a time. We must be vigilant and not accept normalisation and continue to make noise about how we feel about the future of this country or we will be dominated by the agenda of these individuals who have little respect for the interests of anyone who is not part of their boys club.

Theresa May may not be one of them, but like Trump she craves their approval and does share many of their values. She is happy to pander to them, and them to her as she makes their toxicity somehow more acceptable.

What women do next is crucial. Do we want to accept this vision of the future? Now is not the time to fall silence and accept that things are equal now. We know the reality. And it affects all of us, regardless of how we voted on 23rd June.

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HashiAsLarry · 08/02/2017 15:47

There's nothing wrong with a bit of sarcasm cecile, most of us need to get it out to feel better about the shitstorm.

RedToothBrush · 08/02/2017 16:08

Jess Phillips is currently doing a speech on women's rights and Brexit.

She made a point of saying she would not give way to another MP as we'd heard enough of a man's point of view.

Its a good speech.

Will try and link to later.

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lalalonglegs · 08/02/2017 16:23

Meanwhile, if we can believe Private Eye (I think we can), Jeremy Corbyn is owed a few days off after the exertion of the past few days. Honestly, reading this, it's no wonder he took a holiday in the middle of the referendum campaign, he was bloody owed one Hmm.

Westministenders: Boris is reminded of the Munich Post.
howabout · 08/02/2017 16:24

Right back at you pretty. Smile

I started reading Tam Dalyell The Question of Scotland - Devolution and After last night. So far he is on the history of devolution and the rise of the SNP in the 70s on which I completely agree. Waiting till he starts thinking about the EU and we part company.

CeciledeVolanges · 08/02/2017 16:43

Michael Gove made a horrible point of order where he twisted that around to make his own point. I read it and put my face in my hands. I will try to find it later.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 16:46

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whatwouldrondo · 08/02/2017 17:00

Sorry if this has been posted already but Kellyanne wriggling on the hook. I am not sure which bit is more shocking the trying to defend Trump or the pleading the poverty of their campaign and what a jolly team they are in the face of adversity. m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_589af2c9e4b09bd304bee163?

Peregrina · 08/02/2017 17:01

I think it is all my fault for saying somebody should cut Cameron's head off.

I think it was understood that you didn't really mean it. Lock him up for treason, yes. Maybe the fact that he completely trashed his own political reputation is sufficient punishment for the ex PM who thought he'd be rather good at it.

I have wondered myself whether I should make an effigy of May and stick pins in it, but I don't believe in voodoo, so I won't bother.

HashiAsLarry · 08/02/2017 17:04

I have wondered myself whether I should make an effigy of May and stick pins in it, but I don't believe in voodoo, so I won't bother.
But the act may make you feel better, and its feelings that count now Grin

Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 17:09

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Peregrina · 08/02/2017 17:09

feelings that count now

Ah yes, the Leavers didn't feel the UK was sovereign, and I feel that the NHS is collapsing, whereas it is really in the rudest of health.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 17:11

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boredofbrexit · 08/02/2017 17:25

guys, TM is leading the negotiations to take UK out of the EU. Why would you want to incapacitate her (although I am glad at least that we have progressed from decapitate to incapacitateWink)? If she was indisposed, whom would you prefer? Boris? Davis?
(lighthearted)

HashiAsLarry · 08/02/2017 17:26

Ah but people feel the NHS is collapsing due to health tourism and solving that will mean everything is great again

Peregrina · 08/02/2017 17:29

If she was indisposed, whom would you prefer? Boris? Davis?

Easy to answer that one: Ken Clarke. He plans to stand down in 2020, so he could make a commitment now to three years in the job and no more. And retire gracefully, knowing that he had served his country to the best of his ability.

InformalRoman · 08/02/2017 17:30

I have wondered myself whether I should make an effigy of May and stick pins in it, but I don't believe in voodoo, so I won't bother.

I was going to suggest that might be cathartic too.

If she was indisposed, whom would you prefer? Boris? Davis?

Well ... Peregrina could make effigies of them as well. I'm sure we could all add to the list (hope Peregrina has plenty of time on her hands to make hundreds of effigies Smile)

Maybe there already is a Diane Abbott effigy ...

TheElementsSong · 08/02/2017 17:31

Well if Feelz are all that matters now then I'm wishing I drank the Kool-Aid and could comfort myself with the belief that Brexit has zero downsides and there are nothing but Sunlit Uplands ahead in, oh, a 2-decade blink of an eye (apart from all the downsides that will be happening because Talking Britain Down, Not Believing and Punishment Beatings).

HashiAsLarry · 08/02/2017 17:35

Come on Peregrina, you're going to have to confess what you did to Diane now Wink

Ken Clark would be great. Or even someone like Anna Soubry who at least remembers that the people include a vast mass who didn't vote for Brexit.

MirabelleTree · 08/02/2017 17:38

Full time job to keep up to date these days. I have said before about Trump and Frontotemperal Dementia, we're pretty certain my Mum had it though had diagnosis of mixed dementia. She was able to score normally on a memory test 6 months before needing full time residential care.

Her score on a test called ACE-R was well below the cut off point though and it was very interesting watching her take it as the main strategies she used to hide her difficulties failed completely. She was brilliant at 'social facade' and had convinced my Brother who she hadn't actually seen for five years that she was fine. He coached her to pass a capacity test to get her out of her Care Home . If you knew her and what had gone on you knew it was bollocks but it sounded plausible and was full of her stock phrases she used. Trump has reminded me of her since DH said about 6 months ago that he felt Trump has Dementia.

Figmentofmyimagination · 08/02/2017 17:50

My mum's vascular dementia started at 72. She lived for another 10 years. How old is Trump?

InformalRoman · 08/02/2017 18:06

Trump is 70. Interesting to compare interviews with him from the 1980s talking in complete sentences to how he seems unable to string a complete and comprehensible sentence together now.

And the reading thing - he read his inauguration speech from a teleprompter, so doesn't seem that reading is beyond his abilities.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/02/2017 18:09

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MirabelleTree · 08/02/2017 18:16

The Alzheimer's Society info on it fir those interested. There are different variants , one affects language.

Thanks Motherofdragons. She died shortly before the Referendum which sadly was best as she was so ill as had breast cancer too.

drwitch · 08/02/2017 18:17

Been watching parliament live - two things bought a smile to my face. Karl Turner bringing his very cute baby in + Owen Smith was looking very happy