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Westministenders: Boris and his friends hand in their homework to be marked.

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 14:10

The last week has been depressing for a lot of people.

Even if you are happy about the vote in the Commons, there is a worrying lack of backbone in MPs of all shades.

Then there’s what is going on in the USA which I’m going to quietly ignore in this post except to say that cosying up to Trump still could backfire on all who do for numerous reasons.

It seems like its all over in someways, but there is still plenty going on.

The A50 Bill has only passed stage one. The Government’s deliberate publishing of the White Paper after the vote has left a lot of people with egg all over their face.

Plus its just crap. Actually its not crap. It’s a dog dinner of farcical proportions with no content, faulty data and incorrect details that an A-Level Student did the night before their assignment was due, masquerading as an official government document.

Now its amendment time, which is the serious bit. For an amendment to make it, it will need cross party support. After the government failed to produce a White Paper worth the paper it was written on, and insulted the intelligence of the House of Commons, that could get interesting.

For starters the White Paper says that EU citizens are one of our best bargaining chips. Trouble is a lot of Tory and Labour MPs don’t agree.

In short there is a fair old chance of a government defeat next week at some point. The government don’t want any. Especially not this early. I really think it will be very difficult for the government to provide the assurance MPs will want, even if they crack the whip. They have lost the trust of too many. In voting for the first vote, many MPs will feel they have shown their intent to support leaving and now will get busy on trying to hammer down the details.

Highlights include of the White Paper include the idea that we will still be subject to the ECJ except we won’t. This is ridiculous. We will be subject to ECJ rulings but not be subject to ECJ rulings directly. Eh? What? (Not that we didn’t see this coming). There’s Euroatom and the government doing an impression of Homer Simpson. With a by-election in Copeland on the cards. That story has some time to keep running. As Steve Peers points out, the Leprechauns are going to sort out Northern Ireland for us which is a great political strategy to employ.

Its full of lots of other utter bollocks but those particular points are the ones that are potentially the most problematic for the government. If you don’t think the White Paper screams we are going to get eaten alive by the EU and Trump, you need to get off the hallucinogenics pronto.

If that isn’t awe inspiring enough we also have:

The wonderful mental image of Paul Nuttall kipping on a mattress in a house in Stoke disparately pretending to be a Stokie, nervously hoping that letterbox rattling in the wind isn’t C4 letterbox again and that the coppers don’t pay him a visit in the near future. I confess that whilst my imagination has been kept busy with this, I am disappointed in the lack of video clips of him munching on an Oatcake in a Stoke City shirt, sitting on an Armitage Shanks throne, turning his plate over whilst listening to Robbie Williams and with a Titanic by his side. All at the same time. I think he’s missed a few tricks.

AND

Diane Abbott doing quite possibly even more damage to Labour than them merely rolling over and dying over a50 by pulling a sickie. Her ‘Brexit Flu’ damages the party’s image and Corbyn himself even more. If that’s even possible. Some Labour MPs have demanded an apology.

Labour is starting to look like it’s a ship with rats fleeing this week. MPs have defied a three line whip and quite the Shadow Cabinet (Again). Rumours are that over 7000 members have left. A councillor has defected to the Lib Dems. There was a council by election in Rotherham where Lab lost a seat to the LDs in an area where there has never been as many people vote LD. Nor were there as many remain voters as LD voters. The Parliamentary vote for Unite’s new leader has unsurprisingly selected the anti-Corbyn candidate Gerald Coyne over Len McCluskey. The bookies have dropped the odds on Corbyn leaving Labour before a GE from 6/1 to 2/1 overnight. Oh and Red Ed is being rumoured to be returning to the front bench…

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Peregrina · 03/02/2017 22:20

Just been reading the BBC's and the Guardian's reports of the meeting in Malta. Were there two separate meetings going on in a parallel universe?

Jingoistic Tory MP forwards motion for the BBC to play the national anthem every day to honour Brexit

Rosindell is probably too young to remember when it used to be played in cinemas at the end of the evening's showing. Everyone ran for the exits before it came on, so it was stopped. Of course, we were much more respectful in those days!

prettybird · 03/02/2017 22:20

This article http://www.scottishreview.net/KennethRoy156j.html?utmsource=Sign-Up.to&utmmedium=email&utm_campaign=8427-369761-The+foolish+thoughts+of+Theresa+May reflects my own initial impressions of the foreword: that it was excoriatingly badly written with lots of incomplete sentences and its arrogance or at best delusion that 65 million people were supporting her. As both an independence supporting Scot and a Remain voter, that really rankled. I don't care that she probably didn't write it; she put her name to it by signing it, thereby taking full responsibility for both its style and content. Hmm

SwedishEdith · 03/02/2017 22:22

More Kate Hoey stuff

"So in total, Mr Banks has spent £6 million in loans to the Leave.EU Group; and made £176,702 in donations to UKIP since 2014. This ignores his previous spending to the Conservative and Unionist Party and a £5,000 donation made to Kate Hoey MP in April this year."

HashiAsLarry · 03/02/2017 22:23

red I'm loving the stuff you're digging up. I'm not a local full on league of gentlement style but DH is. He voted for him in the last two GEs on the basis he's been a good MP for the constituency. I totally disagree in the time I've been here. He knew nothing of this stuff. I am having great fun saying 'you voted for him' over and over. I've just mentioned the Pinochet thing and I think he's shamed enough now, poor DH.

But it really does show how some people vote for an MP they think will do well locally rather than those who represent their view nationally. He does not represent my DH's political views at all.

RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 22:31

I love the fact that The Freedom Association have a Margaret Thatcher Weekend away in Grantham on the weekend of her birthday.

And are apparently 'banned' from the Conservative Party Conference.

And have pub quizzes, usually with Jacob Rees-Mogg as quizmaster.

Sounds A-M-A-Z-I-N-G

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woman12345 · 03/02/2017 22:34

Thatcher liked Pinochet. Anyone doing anything in March?
www.tfa.net/freedom-festival/

whatwouldrondo · 03/02/2017 22:35

Following Bigchocs comment, good article fro Isobel Hilton who is s one of the few journalist who know their stuff and are worth listening www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/03/donald-trump-making-china-great-again-xi-jinping

HashiAsLarry · 03/02/2017 22:36

I would actually love to be a fly on the wall that away weekend and quiz. You would learn so much.

woman12345 · 03/02/2017 22:38

Recent Freedom Association prize winners:
Below are the previous winners and links to why they were awarded the title of “Parliamentarian of the Week”:

2016
27 May: Marcus Fysh MP

13 May: Lord Vinson

29 April: John Mann MP

22 April: Daniel Hannan MEP

15 April: Jacob Rees-Mogg MP

1 April: Lord Stoddart of Swindon

24 March: Andrew Percy MP

18 March: Syed Kamall MEP

10 March: Rt Hon. John Whittingdale OBE MP

4 March: Rt Hon. Priti Patel MP

26 February: Rt Hon. Michael Gove MP

12 February: Dr Sarah Wollaston MP

5 February: Richard Drax MP

29 January: Rt Hon. Nigel Dodds MP

22 January: Philip Davies MP & Naz Shah MP

15 January: Rt Hon. Chris Grayling MP

8 January: James Cleverly MP, Craig Mackinlay MP, Scott Mann MP, Paul Scully MP, Royston Smith MP, and Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP

gisforGirl · 03/02/2017 22:50

#Britishvalues

Isn't it ironic that the entire Brexit Leave discourse is completely betraying the alleged British values the dc are having to study at school, allegedly to become good citizens?

According to Ofsted, British values are:

democracy
the rule of law
individual liberty
mutual respect for and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs and for those without faith.

Can't see our government promoting these at the moment? What a farce.

RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 22:54

The Freedom Association sound exactly like Trump and Leave.EU

Check this beauty out.
www.tfa.net/liberal-democrats-blame-populism-for-supposed-rise-in-hate-crimes/

or this full on attack on Tulip Siddiq

www.tfa.net/tulip-siddiq-is-an-anti-democratic-hypocrite/

These fuckers are the ones leading Brexit...

Is this what we want for the UK? Labour are supporting this.

May is obviously after a weekend away in Eastbourne in October in her honour.

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 23:02

Kenneth Clarke ‏*@KCQCMP*
I'm being called a 'legend', 'hero', 'champion of democracy' and so on. It's sad when one gets such acclaim simply for doing one's job. KC x

Complete with kiss!!!

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HashiAsLarry · 03/02/2017 23:04

The issue with reciprocal rights for citizens like the Irish CTA agreement is that its open to EU challenge. Post Brexit we can strike that deal, but Spain may not be able to long term without forfeiting their EU membership. Are recpirocal rights with us better than what the EU give? Definitely not in ROI case, most probably not in Spain.

woman12345 · 03/02/2017 23:05

prettybird Thanks for that one, on the money.
No cuddly Ken Clarkes on any of the Freedom Association alumni.

SwedishEdith · 03/02/2017 23:12

That Kenneth Clarke ‏*@KCQCMP* account isn't real, surely? No blue tick.

woman12345 · 03/02/2017 23:14

When Germaine Greer said that a transgender woman “can’t be a woman”, that could be regarded as a hate crime From the beautiful article on pernicious liberal democrats. From the FA Grin
Notice a pattern here? Seems to be a bit of a trope, this old trans versus women thing. Interesting.

RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 23:21

Swedish I think you might be right...

Blush

Still:

Jeremy Bowen ‏*@BowenBBC*
Unsurprisingly @KCQCMP is worth following

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RedToothBrush · 03/02/2017 23:26

woman12345, the article on Tulip Siddiq is in a similar vein. I refer back to the quote in the Guardian article about whether Philip Davies is fit to be MP where it says:

What is most concerning about this elected MP’s behaviour is how closely it mimics that of misogynistic online trolls.

Its the exact same pattern.

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SwedishEdith · 03/02/2017 23:28

It's not a bad parody account. What he might say if he did use Twitter.

Anyway, can we get back to Kate Hoey getting a £5k donation from Arron Banks. Just keep repeating that.

woman12345 · 03/02/2017 23:36

Absolutely red it's why I put that thing up about gish galloping.
Johnson is not being charming and erudite, he's talking shit and lying. So it's good to know. It's taking the piss on an industrial scale.

On the setting up a battle between women, LGBT and trans activists, I just don't understand it at all. We all used to be on the same side and there were lots of weird posts on the threads about the women's marches along these lines.

All interesting.

Swedish Hoey's behaviour is also extremely perplexing, it has been for years, is she a well thought of MP? But this £5k from Banks is disgraceful, I hope it's investigated further. What is there beneath this Labour Leave story, I wonder.

woman12345 · 03/02/2017 23:38

Ken Clarke's real twitter account is so sweet, and twitter isn't always very sweet these days.

boredofbrexit · 03/02/2017 23:55

Hashiaslarry: 'I'd rather be something beautiful and powerful like a snowflake than a fascist #proud'
....They are not mutually exclusive, you can be both....

HashiAsLarry · 04/02/2017 00:02

bored not considering you're likening these things to yellow stars.

boredofbrexit · 04/02/2017 00:48

who's talking about me though?