Westministenders: Johnson defends his President whilst we try to defend Britain

[RedToothBrush]

Theresa and Donald
Sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First come Brexit
Then comes the Ban
Then comes the
Removal of Human Rights
… Damn

(Shamelessly stolen from a protest sign)

A couple of weeks ago people were still asking why we were talking about Trump on a Brexit thread. I think the answer has made itself all together too apparent.

What is happening in the US is not going to stop. It’s not going to get any better any time soon. The situation is grave with suggestions there has been a coup. What happens next is not going to be pretty. American institutions are struggling. The rule of law has been undermined. We are not talking about a developing country. We are talking about the country which has stood for freedom and democracy.

Our leadership looks weak in the face of this. We look like we are not only appeasing but endorsing. For what? A trade deal that he could revoke in 30 days?

We have but one question. How many of our ‘British Values’ will have to be sacrifice for the special relationship?

Make no bones about this: Cosying up to Trump threatens our national security. It threatens our democracy. It ruins what little moral authority we have left. It threatens our ties with Europe who we DO still need to have a relationship even if we are outside the EU. This is not world leadership. This is appeasement. This is cowardly weak and downright desperate.

Let us also not forget ‘Good old Boris’ pretending to be Churchill and calling the EU Nazis and Hitler during the Referendum and on several occasions since. He has now had the bare faced audicity to stand in the House of Commons and call MPs out repeatedly for ‘trivalising the holocaust’ or for making comparisons with the 1930s when they saying they have been told this by survivors of the holocaust. It is SHAMEFUL. I also note how many times Johnson referred to Trump being democratically elected as if this makes all the difference and he can’t possibly be a dictator if elected.

Why do they want to use the parallel themselves and HATE it when its used for things they use? Fascists hate being pointed out as fascists.

What would happen if you put it to the public? You have a choice, The EU or Trump? What would they say. At its most basic this is what Brexit is now. You can not hide it or disguise it any longer.

Get used to this. Be prepared to protest, to keep challenging, to keep calling things as they are. Fatigue might set in, but we need to keep on. This is for the long haul.

Today the a50 Bill starts in parliament. It’s not looking good, as it looks like MPs will completely fail in their DUTY to hold the government to account and will not have the balls to add amendments to the bill.

If it passes without any, get worried. It is not just about the EU.

It never was.

Britain just died.

I was going to say that to be fair, the voting mechanism was OK, but in practice, that wasn't either, with proxy votes and postal votes not being sent out on time. Despite prompt application.

Good old Michael Crick on CH 4 news is spearing the Brightest and Best who doesn't know where he lives. fraud.
Not a shot fired eh Paul and Nigel?

We need a 'Trump' in this country says a voter in Stoke on Ch 4 news. Thought this country was flatulent enough. Intellectually anyway. There I've said it and I don't care.

Peregrina - I think that was a very minor issue compared with disenfranchising the 3 million EU nationals who live here and whose lives could be catastrophically affected by this decision. I know that, with some exceptions, only UK citizens (born here or naturalised) are allowed to vote in general elections - but on a referendum that has such consequences for the people who have moved here and made their lives here, I believe the right to vote should have been extended to include them.

100 for SNP amendment reject A50, that seems quite high to me?
Any experts?

I can't get carry on films out of my head when I see/hear the phrase "rigorously overseen"
😖

Woman: there will quite a few rebels for that number - the guardian are saying 47 labour rebels.

This has just been posted on my Facebook and I thought it was worth remembering:

Apartheid was legal.
The Holocaust was legal.
Slavery was legal.
Colonialism was legal.
Legality is a matter of power, not justice.

Anonymous.

For an amendment that didn't stand a chance, encouraging, they said there were quite a few abstentions.
It's a game of how much we've lost by.
.
Tories are going to get so shafted by Banks, so shafted.
Hope they're enjoying their laugh at Labour, because they're voting for their death.
498/ 114
Bastards.

"Rigorously overseen" is quite funny if it wasn't so tragic. What a f**king farce?

And what has happened to the world that I'm treated to a non-piss taking lengthy Evening Standard feature on prepping on my journey home tonight? Jesus Christ - not so much 'Overton window' as completely new house in a different country.

I can understand why remainers seem to have given up. There's no fighting a gang of halfwits backed by the tabloids.

Did anyone listen to the Northern Ireland select committee today? They had a customs expert on. He pointed out that while the UK can choose not to place customs posts on the border, the Irish can't (unless they leave the customs union too). It will in theory mean paperwork to take your dog for a walk over the border (audible gasps from MPs at this point; you have to wonder WTF they thought leaving the customs union meant. What a bunch of fucking clueless know-nothings you are governed by). It seems the only viable solution is for NI to remain in the customs union probably for a decade at least. That means a hard border with the rUK.

My employer is moving forward with plans to build a new plant in eastern europe. There will be no new UK investment for the foreseeable future. We already lost new R&D investment in the UK because of May's anti-immigrant fuckwittery when she was at the HO. Such an avoidable tragedy.

I agree Misti. My dad keeps telling me I'm overreacting and it will all be fine. Then he heard about Euratom.

He doesn't believe it though - it must be a mistake in reporting by the BBC because you can't trust the lefty media. I've shown him the bill, he's convinced it will be amended. FFS!

Yes I watch NI questions.
On the NI thread, they were talking about having to remember your passport to go to the dentist in the neighbouring town.
And that's the fucking least of it.
Tories really are a shower of absolute fucking shit. So full of it they squeak when they walk.

That means a hard border with the rUK.

Because I think May has already promised that there won't be a hard border between NI and RoI. I can't seen NI remaining in the UK, despite the fact that few in either country want a united Ireland at present. IMO, just watching as an observer, they were making the current arrangements work.

You know the Socrates thing about knowing that you know nothing, well this shower are the opposite. They seem to have absolutely no conception of how little they know. Absolute morons. Dangerously idiotic. Euratom
You could hear Ivan Rogers absolute heartfelt frustration with trying to get them to understand. Posh kids who've fucked up at private schools and we have to put up with them as bloody leaders.
Wish this country was run by brainy working class people.

Not sure how squeaky shit is but it sure does stink.

Did you see Liam Fox's 'fake news' this week - that £16 billion worth of foreign investment had been secured since the Brexit vote.

The FT revealed that much had been in place before June.

Then he heard about Euratom.
Completely separate Treaty. May and her cronies are like toddlers having a paddy. Don't like the EU - let's smash anything which involves co-operation with other European Countries.

I saw the previous commons select committee with Michael Dougan, and May & Kenny's agreement earlier this week that there should be no hard borders is just fantasy.

The FT revealed that much had been in place before June.

Gosh yes, it's like the Leaver here who was getting excited about 100 jobs coming, in medical research, ignoring the 900 which will almost certainly go.

Why oh why can't we get rid of these incompetents?

He billed it as 'good news' to counteract the 'black propaganda'.

Oh the irony.

BoredofBrexit

"i suppose all i can say then is bring on the fuck up, whatever sort of fuck up it is at least it will be our own fuck up, and lets see who fucks up first, the eu or the uk."

sums up Brexit pretty well, thank you BoredofBreit for highlighting your irresponsible and destructive world view and attitude which led you to voting Brexit and which makes you post grumpy nonsense after grumpy nonsense over dozens of threads. You do sound like a very unhappy person. Sad. But I suppose when one feels such inner negativity and hate seeing the world burn around you must make you feel better, am I right? It must be rather therapeutic.

Peregrina- again these deals for jobs don't happen quickly. I would be astonished if the medical research institute hadn't been on the cards for years and was still just about coming despite Brexit.

Sorry -again shouldn't be there!

It's happening. Trump is in power and brexit is happening. Strap in, this is going to beat any rollercoaster