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Westministenders: Johnson defends his President whilst we try to defend Britain

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2017 11:25

Theresa and Donald
Sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First come Brexit
Then comes the Ban
Then comes the
Removal of Human Rights
… Damn

(Shamelessly stolen from a protest sign)

A couple of weeks ago people were still asking why we were talking about Trump on a Brexit thread. I think the answer has made itself all together too apparent.

What is happening in the US is not going to stop. It’s not going to get any better any time soon. The situation is grave with suggestions there has been a coup. What happens next is not going to be pretty. American institutions are struggling. The rule of law has been undermined. We are not talking about a developing country. We are talking about the country which has stood for freedom and democracy.

Our leadership looks weak in the face of this. We look like we are not only appeasing but endorsing. For what? A trade deal that he could revoke in 30 days?

We have but one question. How many of our ‘British Values’ will have to be sacrifice for the special relationship?

Make no bones about this: Cosying up to Trump threatens our national security. It threatens our democracy. It ruins what little moral authority we have left. It threatens our ties with Europe who we DO still need to have a relationship even if we are outside the EU. This is not world leadership. This is appeasement. This is cowardly weak and downright desperate.

Let us also not forget ‘Good old Boris’ pretending to be Churchill and calling the EU Nazis and Hitler during the Referendum and on several occasions since. He has now had the bare faced audicity to stand in the House of Commons and call MPs out repeatedly for ‘trivalising the holocaust’ or for making comparisons with the 1930s when they saying they have been told this by survivors of the holocaust. It is SHAMEFUL. I also note how many times Johnson referred to Trump being democratically elected as if this makes all the difference and he can’t possibly be a dictator if elected.

Why do they want to use the parallel themselves and HATE it when its used for things they use? Fascists hate being pointed out as fascists.

What would happen if you put it to the public? You have a choice, The EU or Trump? What would they say. At its most basic this is what Brexit is now. You can not hide it or disguise it any longer.

Get used to this. Be prepared to protest, to keep challenging, to keep calling things as they are. Fatigue might set in, but we need to keep on. This is for the long haul.

Today the a50 Bill starts in parliament. It’s not looking good, as it looks like MPs will completely fail in their DUTY to hold the government to account and will not have the balls to add amendments to the bill.

If it passes without any, get worried. It is not just about the EU.

It never was.

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woman12345 · 01/02/2017 15:20

"we had condemned the coup"
23. 57
www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-38794587

We knew it was fake?

boredofbrexit · 01/02/2017 15:31

woman, admire your ambidexterity, clutching at straws and pearlsGrin

MitzyLeFrouf · 01/02/2017 15:43

Sad and pitiful Farage (with Trump badge on his lapel. He's just not that into you Nigel!) getting trolled in the EU parliament today while praising Trump's muslim ban.

Westministenders: Johnson defends his President whilst we try to defend Britain
woman12345 · 01/02/2017 15:45

Mitzy Grin

Headfullofdreams · 01/02/2017 15:54

Amazing that he turned up!

boredofbrexit · 01/02/2017 16:02

Amazing yes, that he found the time to when later tonight the country will return a vote that will change history, a change that was of his making.

MitzyLeFrouf · 01/02/2017 16:07

You're a fully paid up member of the fan club then. How lovely for you.

Bearbehind · 01/02/2017 16:13

Amazing yes, that he found the time to when later tonight the country will return a vote that will change history, a change that was of his making.

Yes, the vote will change history, shame it's not going to be for the better.

People wonder why Leavers are associated with racism and xenophobia- posts like that, bowing at the feet of Farage, explain a lot.

For far too many people it was and still is only about immigrants.

CeciledeVolanges · 01/02/2017 16:15

To be fair, that could be amazing as in, everything he has done since the Brexit vote, his speech, drawing his salary and so on have all been amazingly crass, hypocritical, self serving, pointless, aggravating...

unicornsIlovethem · 01/02/2017 16:20

Well there is no point in Nigel Farage bring anywhere near the House of Commons because he isn't an MP (despite 5 attempts) and doesn't lead a political party. He can do BBC interviews, but the EU probably pays him better and might help with the German citizenship when he fucks off for good shortly after Brexit.

HashiAsLarry · 01/02/2017 16:21

Its not that amazing really. He just wants to be there so he can gloat again after the vote.

RedToothBrush · 01/02/2017 16:46

Michael Crick ‏***@MichaelLCrick*
EXCLUSIVE: 65 Oxford St, Stoke which Nuttall put on nomination form as home address. He admits he's never been there

Inside 65 Oxford St, which Paul Nuttall claims as Stoke home. No furniture. Agents say it's empty & available to let

(Crick attached photo from outside with to let sign and one through the letter box so you can see its empty)

This is the same Paul Nuttall who claimed to have a PhD from Liverpool Hope University in 2004 but it only gained University status in 2005 and didn't start doing PhDs until 2009. He now says its from Trump University and is 'as valid as any other UK degree' and it cost him a lot of money. Yes the now defunct Trump University.
The same Paul Nuttall who claimed to have played for Tranmere Rovers on his website in 2010 but has this has been denied.
The same Paul Nuttall who has now claimed he was a student in Shelton in Stoke for 3 months, which he's never said before.
The same Paul Nuttall who put all over his website that he thought the NHS should be privatised, subsequently denied it, and now says he's changed his mind.

Michael Crick ‏***@MichaelLCrick*

John Turner, Assoc of Elect Administrators says: "whatever address you are living at time of nomination is what should appear on nom paper"

Michael Crick ‏***@MichaelLCrick* 5m
UKIP spokesman says Paul Nuttall has NOW moved into empty Stoke home Nuttall claimed on nom forms as "home address"

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RedToothBrush · 01/02/2017 16:48

It seems that to be a UKIP member who have to have to be qualified as an expert in alternative facts doesn't it?

I hope Nuttall gets disqualified. Cos that would just be funny.

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MitzyLeFrouf · 01/02/2017 16:48

Nuttall would appear to be a compulsive fibber.

MitzyLeFrouf · 01/02/2017 16:50

Let's hope it comes back to bite his lying arse as it did this Tory councillor

'Councillor Richard Smalley jailed for false address offence'

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/councillor-richard-smalley-jailed-for-false-address-offence/

birdybirdywoofwoof · 01/02/2017 16:52

Did you mention nuttals memory loss when it came to which end of the pitch he was in during the hills borough disaster?

He's a horrendous man.

Peregrina · 01/02/2017 16:59

Does the address have to be the one you are living in at the time your nomination is filed? If so, this would appear to be a clear case of electoral fraud, and ought to get him disqualified.

RedToothBrush · 01/02/2017 17:01

TIME ‏*@TIME*
Senate Judiciary Committee approves Jeff Sessions for Attorney General

GAME OVER

Sen Dianne Feinstein ‏*@SenFeinstein*

Voted "No" on Sessions attorney general nomination. All nine @JudiciaryDems voted “No.”

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dianne-feinstein-eviscerates-jeff-sessions_us_5890bc98e4b02772c4e96bf4?
Dianne Feinstein Eviscerates Jeff Sessions In Savage Closing Argument

Peter Daou ‏*@peterdaou*
Editor-in-chief of @Reuters suggests Trump administration could use legal means to clamp down on free press.
www.reuters.com/article/rpb-adlertrump-idUSKBN15F276

www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/im-with-farage?utm_term=.dmM0X7rWe#.ajDpbZnoj
This MEP Just Trolled Nigel Farage While He Was Speaking In The European Parliament

The MEP with the sign was Labour’s Seb Dance, who represents the London region in the European parliament.

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TuckersBadLuck · 01/02/2017 17:09

RTB 'He now says its from Trump University and is 'as valid as any other UK degree'

He didn't really say that did he?

RedToothBrush · 01/02/2017 17:12

Peter Daou ‏*@peterdaou*
Trump doesn't tolerate being usurped by people who work for him. The ubiquitous "President Bannon" meme may spell trouble for Bannon.

Ooooo. There is a challenge for everyone. Trump's ego won't cope. President Father Jack Bannon.

Someone really should phone the agent of that house and take the lease for a couple of months.

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Badders123 · 01/02/2017 17:13

Any chance nuttballs (autocorrect but leaving it as it somehow suits him!) will get banned from standing for the lie about his address?
Let's hope so....
Is Trump university based in tijuana!? 😂

RedToothBrush · 01/02/2017 17:14

Nope. Its a joke.

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SemiPermanent · 01/02/2017 17:18

Yes, the vote will change history, shame it's not going to be for the better.

I disagree, this vote is the beginning of a better future - unshackled from the EU behemoth.

Now the EU can prosper without Britain hampering their vision of 'ever closer union', whilst Britain can work on our future unfettered by the EU 'one size fits all', inflexible juggernaut.

MitzyLeFrouf · 01/02/2017 17:20

Yes re. the President Bannon tag. It did occur to me that Trump's fragile ego would not like that one bit. Simon Schama was the first person I saw refer to President Bannon on Twitter and now it's everywhere.

MitzyLeFrouf · 01/02/2017 17:23

I disagree

Well yeah, I think you've made that pretty clear since the first Westministenders thread!