Westministenders: Johnson defends his President whilst we try to defend Britain

[RedToothBrush]

Theresa and Donald
Sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First come Brexit
Then comes the Ban
Then comes the
Removal of Human Rights
… Damn

(Shamelessly stolen from a protest sign)

A couple of weeks ago people were still asking why we were talking about Trump on a Brexit thread. I think the answer has made itself all together too apparent.

What is happening in the US is not going to stop. It’s not going to get any better any time soon. The situation is grave with suggestions there has been a coup. What happens next is not going to be pretty. American institutions are struggling. The rule of law has been undermined. We are not talking about a developing country. We are talking about the country which has stood for freedom and democracy.

Our leadership looks weak in the face of this. We look like we are not only appeasing but endorsing. For what? A trade deal that he could revoke in 30 days?

We have but one question. How many of our ‘British Values’ will have to be sacrifice for the special relationship?

Make no bones about this: Cosying up to Trump threatens our national security. It threatens our democracy. It ruins what little moral authority we have left. It threatens our ties with Europe who we DO still need to have a relationship even if we are outside the EU. This is not world leadership. This is appeasement. This is cowardly weak and downright desperate.

Let us also not forget ‘Good old Boris’ pretending to be Churchill and calling the EU Nazis and Hitler during the Referendum and on several occasions since. He has now had the bare faced audicity to stand in the House of Commons and call MPs out repeatedly for ‘trivalising the holocaust’ or for making comparisons with the 1930s when they saying they have been told this by survivors of the holocaust. It is SHAMEFUL. I also note how many times Johnson referred to Trump being democratically elected as if this makes all the difference and he can’t possibly be a dictator if elected.

Why do they want to use the parallel themselves and HATE it when its used for things they use? Fascists hate being pointed out as fascists.

What would happen if you put it to the public? You have a choice, The EU or Trump? What would they say. At its most basic this is what Brexit is now. You can not hide it or disguise it any longer.

Get used to this. Be prepared to protest, to keep challenging, to keep calling things as they are. Fatigue might set in, but we need to keep on. This is for the long haul.

Today the a50 Bill starts in parliament. It’s not looking good, as it looks like MPs will completely fail in their DUTY to hold the government to account and will not have the balls to add amendments to the bill.

If it passes without any, get worried. It is not just about the EU.

It never was.

I disagree, this vote is the beginning of a better future - unshackled from the EU behemoth.

I know it's pointless asking this semi but I'll give it a go anyway.....what convinces you this vote is the beginning of a better future?

Just for starters - How will we square the circle re

• Northern Ireland
• The 40billion euros we appear to owe the EU
• loss of unrestricted access to the Single Market

We will square the circle, its going to be the best square, better than any other square there is. Bigly

This from the Electoral Commission guidance

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Bear, everything will be great once we reach Brexitopia, didn't you realise.

Nigel, Boris and Theresa the appeaser will wave their wands and all problems will disappear ( as will those pesky large tax revenues from the city)

Oh dear, it's really not shaping up to be a good day for Paul Nuttall and his Dark Ma]ster. Has anyone linked to this yet?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/01/nigel-farage-among-ukip-meps-accused-of-misusing-eu-funds

Busted!

And the employment! Don't forget, jobs are like weight, the more you lose the better

What on earth does Mrs Farage do as his MEP assistant?

Actually, thinking about it she deserves every penny for the torture of being married to him!

And semi, surely we will be unshackled from the EU behemoth in the same way the passengers on the Titanic became unshackled from that naval behemoth?

Just for starters - How will we square the circle re

*- Northern Ireland

• The 40billion euros we appear to owe the EU
• loss of unrestricted access to the Single Market*

Bear, as I've said before, sadly I am not in a position to influence the outcome of Brexit so am unable to give you solid answers or solutions.

All I can offer is my own meandering thoughts on the subject.

• Northern Ireland:

please see an earlier post of mine on this thread.

• €40 billion that we appear to owe the EU:

It has already been stated that this is a top end estimate, and is up for negotiation. There will be a cost, we know/knew this - we have to pay our dues, that is right & proper.

• loss of unrestricted access to single market:

This again is up for negotiation - there have been various analyses recently of different possibilities re future arrangement.

As you are aware, your questions are ridiculous - as an ordinary citizen with no input to how we Brexit, how could I possibly furnish you with an actual answer?

Why you bother persisting with the cul-de-sac of unanswerable questions about the as yet unknown is beyond me.
It's just setting yourself up to be disappointed tbh.

I think that's absolutely fine, semipermanent. But it does mean that you have no rational basis for any expectation of "a better future" post-Brexit.

As you are aware, your questions are ridiculous - as an ordinary citizen with no input to how we Brexit, how could I possibly furnish you with an actual answer?

Then as you are aware, your assertions that everything will be fine post brexit are ridiculous.

As you are aware, your questions are ridiculous

No, really, they're not.

They are the very questions that should have been answered before the referendum.

the fact that, 7 months on, we aren't any closer to understanding the practilities demonstrates what an almighty fuck up this is.

It only says it could invalidate his election, but he hasn't got elected yet, of course. It would be very satisfying to see him barred beforehand.
Leavers surely can't object, I assume that they want representatives who are honest as much as the rest of us.

Also the assertions that people made a decision which has to be respected even if they have no idea what decision they are supposed to have made are scary

i suppose all i can say then is bring on the fuck up, whatever sort of fuck up it is at least it will be our own fuck up, and lets see who fucks up first, the eu or the uk.

Also "up for negotiation" - there are no certainties. If it can be negotiated down it can also go up

I suppose all i can say then is bring on the fuck up, whatever sort of fuck up it is at least it will be our own fuck up, and lets see who fucks up first, the eu or the uk

OMFG

That's the mentality of those who voted for this is it?

CdV, maybe try rethinking your fixed position using your recent enlightened reasoning?

That's the mentality of those who voted for this is it?

Sadly, for a lot of them, yes.

That's the mentality of those who voted for this is it?

Unfortunately, but its not our or my fuck up. Its theirs. They should at least own it.

Yes, but apparently it's an outrage to suggest any of them are stupid .

To be fair, they're not all stupid. But its also true that some people just want to watch the world burn.

Reposting this for bored. Only appropriate response I can think of.

I would be a tad happier leaving Brexit to Parliament if they had shown a modicum of competence. With a few exceptions the majority seem to be particularly incompetent.

Instead of the will of the people, which sounds suspiciously like on your head be it, I just wish that some of these remain MPs who are now backing brexit would say 'I'm backing A50 because I now believe that there is a better economic case for leaving the EU in the way we are choosing to go about it than remaining in the EU. Really they are saying it's your picnic voters - nothing to do with us.