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Westministenders. Boris, May and Judgement Day

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RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 13:49

Well its finally here. The day America changes forever. Good luck planet earth.

Our day of reckoning is beckoning too.

Tuesday is Supreme Court Judgement Day.

At 9.30 Lord Nueberger and the other ten justices will convene and he will read out their judgement.

Contrary to some suggestions this does not mean the decision is necessarily unanimous. It is normal for the Supreme Court to do this.

Nueberger will read any disagreements out as part of the judgment.
Their ruling will be far reaching in its importance however it goes.

A victory for the government will mean a50 can be triggered as and when Theresa May likes. That could be Tuesday afternoon in theory.

If it’s a victory for the claimants then things get much more complicated. It depends on how far the justices go.

It could rule that parliament need to vote on a50.

It could rule that the Great Repeal Act must be passed before a50 can be invoked.

It could rule that the Scottish and NI Assemblies must agree to a50 being invoked.

It could rule that the Good Friday Agreement must be resolved before a50 can be invoked.

It could rule that issues over acquired rights must be resolved before invoking a50.

It could draw other conclusions that we have not thought of.

A strong victory for the claimants could seriously hamper May’s plans for Brexit. Which is exactly why she has laid out her vision and has prepared the battle lines ready for her next round of blame laying.

None of this will be because the government has been short sighted.

If there is a strong victory, remember that May could have avoided the situation by accepting the High Court’s ruling in December that she needed Parliament’s consent to trigger a50. Anything more that makes triggering a50 more difficult is her sole responsibility and she had the power to avoid. Much of the right wing press will tell you differently.

We've heard so much about Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit. We should also talk of Democratic and Undemocratic Brexit. How Brexit is managed and how we conduct ourselves is arguably as important to the future as economics. It is right to oppose Undemocratic Brexit. It is important to make that distinction and all the principles that fall under that concept. What opposition there is need to get their shit together on this principle. Using patriotism to stifle this wholly wrong and unhealthy. Saying Brexit must happen no matter what, regardless of how bad it is and regardless of the cost is wrong.

Make the case for democracy. Keep talking about it. Talk about where it is failing and what we must do to strengthen it, not undermine it.

Here lies Labour's policy on Brexit. "We support Democratic Brexit which is the will of the people. This is how we define this. This is what is needed economic and socially." You can find the necessary slogans from this and start defining it outward from that. So far they have failed to capture this sentiment concisely into a soundbite that people can start to develop and push a left wing liberal agenda on their own terms from. Their PR is shocking and they are incoherent. May owned Corbyn at PMQ earlier this week on these grounds. This is not because they have been misrepresented by the press or been the victim of biased media. Its because they have been shit and have failed to set their own agenda and instead are dancing to everyone else's.

Here’s hoping that democracy will win through the challenges of the next few years. Democracy is about elections and referendums, but it is also so much more. It is about on going debate and the freedom of this debate, freedom of the press, a range of political parties and points of view, the independent judiciary, the right to oppose the state, freedom to exercise your legal rights, freedom of speech, an understanding of equality and an understanding and above all else - respect for of all of the above. It does not bode well that much of the right wing press and right wing politicians are telling us differently.

So much hope about our futures now rests with Angela Merkel one way or another.

Meanwhile Corbyn could face a major rebellion over a50 if he pursues a three line whip rather than a free vote. 60 - 80 Labour MPs are threatening not to tow the party line with shadow cabinet resignations potentially also on the cards.

Brace yourselves the roller coaster is just about to hit a one big drop.

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RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 17:21

No we will get our poxy trade deal... because it will TOTALLY SCREW US and be very lucrative for America.

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MitzyLeFrouf · 20/01/2017 17:21

So it's actually happening. He really is the President.

Watching him get sworn in is like seeing Jim Davidson become PM.

CarelessWispas · 20/01/2017 17:22

Post speech, Obama shook his hand . Michelle however gave him a massive evil side eye. Hope Michelle goes into politics.

Trump is so ungracious. Politics aside, he's just so fucking rude Angry

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 17:24

A lot of talk of Jesus

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 17:24

Frightening amount user

TuckersBadLuck · 20/01/2017 17:26

A lot of talk of Jesus

Yes, all over the world - people standing open-mouthed muttering "Jesus".

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 17:27
Grin
prettybird · 20/01/2017 17:27

We also won't be able to get out of the trade deal without bring sued by US companies for the loss of all the lovely profits they expect to exploit make from us Hmm

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 17:27

isn't it woman. And Frage over there celebrating today. the British government trying to cose up with HIM.

Dh has taken dc to their activity and will be home soon. Time for me to switch off, find some positivity somehow and make tea.

HashiAsLarry · 20/01/2017 17:28

Grin tucker

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 17:28

haha tuckers i needed that laugh, thanks you Thanks

MitzyLeFrouf · 20/01/2017 17:28

As IF anyone believes Trump has a religious bone in his body.

'Jesus? He was a loser. He was poor and he allowed himself to be captured. If I'd been Jesus I'd have been really rich, BIGLY rich and I'D HAVE kicked Pontius Pilate's ass'.

Arborea · 20/01/2017 17:29

Watching him get sworn in is like seeing Jim Davidson become PM

Actual LOLs Mitzi!

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 17:29

Ladies and gentlemen, please remain standing while the President Elect tells you IT WAS ALL JUST A JOKE.

RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 17:30

Jim Pickard ‏*@PickardJE*
Bishop Jackson asks on behalf of President Trump:

"Give him the wisdom of Solomon, the knowledge of Joseph and the meekness of Christ."

and under his breath, "and for goodness sake don't give him the Nuke Codes"

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lurkinghusband · 20/01/2017 17:30

Who else is pricing up BitCoins ?

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 17:31

I will hold on to the hope that Michelle Obama will be the first American president.

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 17:31

eh the first female president Blush

Peregrina · 20/01/2017 17:32

‘well I did raise my concerns at the time, I was never in favour of this’. Craven fools. Angry

Yes, so we must keep a note of what they actually say, so that a pertinent reminder can be sent to them. E.g. watch your MPs voting record, just remind them how often they dutifully supported the party whip when ostensibly having strong opinions against, like those earstwhile Remain MPs. Yes, that's you Nicola Blackwood and Jeremy Hunt. Which could be useful at the next election to challenge them why they haven't kept their word. I have asked Nicola Blackwood to tell me why she has changed her mind to support Leave suggesting that a list of bullet points would be acceptable. No answer yet, but I won't let her forget. If you are on twitter, tweet to tell them 'you said black but you are now swearing you said white'. Facebook pages, web pages etc.- ones which they pull when they have gone over the top - keep a copy as soon as you see anything contentious and share it rapidly.

RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 17:33

Andrew Neil ‏*@afneil*
Voiceover tells crowd "you'll be released by sections shortly." For a moment I thought it was "you'll be sectioned shortly"

ANDREW NEIL!!! HA!

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woman12345 · 20/01/2017 17:33

thanks Pergrina will do

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 17:34

released would do.

MitzyLeFrouf · 20/01/2017 17:38

'Voiceover tells crowd "you'll be released by sections shortly." For a moment I thought it was "you'll be sectioned shortly"'

Grin Grin

lurkinghusband · 20/01/2017 17:44

Yes, so we must keep a note of what they actually say,

And that has worked, when ? I cannot remember a single occasion when a politician - let alone a (Prime) minister has actually been held to account with their own words. To do so would require a slightly less supine media.

"Private Eye" will of course continue to highlight such instances to its minuscule readership.

Nothing is more guaranteed to make me explode than hearing a dozy politician saying "We had no idea" a few years after some massive cock-up, ignoring the fact that they were told clearly at the time.

There's probably a whole MN thread on such examples. Staying on topic, the Labour governments decision not to limit Eastern European immigration is probably a good contender for #1. They were warned at the time they had massively underestimated the numbers. Yet, when the massively underestimated numbers were revealed, they all - as one - acted as if it was some sort of surprise.

In at #2 would be RIPA - which people warned at the time could be abused by petty jobsworths in local authorities, to a patronising "calm down dear" from the government. Fast forward a few years, and you wonder why the government seem surprised RIPA was being used to crack down on bin-day offences. "We had no idea ...." they wailed.

So trying to hold our elected servants to account is a waste of time. We may as well chop their heads off and line the Mall with them. But even then I can see them going to the guillotine shouting "we had no idea this could happen ...."

(and then, reader, I woke up).

CarelessWispas · 20/01/2017 17:45

Trump steps back from the helicopter in case the moving blades blow his wig off.

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