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Westministenders. Boris, May and Judgement Day

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RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 13:49

Well its finally here. The day America changes forever. Good luck planet earth.

Our day of reckoning is beckoning too.

Tuesday is Supreme Court Judgement Day.

At 9.30 Lord Nueberger and the other ten justices will convene and he will read out their judgement.

Contrary to some suggestions this does not mean the decision is necessarily unanimous. It is normal for the Supreme Court to do this.

Nueberger will read any disagreements out as part of the judgment.
Their ruling will be far reaching in its importance however it goes.

A victory for the government will mean a50 can be triggered as and when Theresa May likes. That could be Tuesday afternoon in theory.

If it’s a victory for the claimants then things get much more complicated. It depends on how far the justices go.

It could rule that parliament need to vote on a50.

It could rule that the Great Repeal Act must be passed before a50 can be invoked.

It could rule that the Scottish and NI Assemblies must agree to a50 being invoked.

It could rule that the Good Friday Agreement must be resolved before a50 can be invoked.

It could rule that issues over acquired rights must be resolved before invoking a50.

It could draw other conclusions that we have not thought of.

A strong victory for the claimants could seriously hamper May’s plans for Brexit. Which is exactly why she has laid out her vision and has prepared the battle lines ready for her next round of blame laying.

None of this will be because the government has been short sighted.

If there is a strong victory, remember that May could have avoided the situation by accepting the High Court’s ruling in December that she needed Parliament’s consent to trigger a50. Anything more that makes triggering a50 more difficult is her sole responsibility and she had the power to avoid. Much of the right wing press will tell you differently.

We've heard so much about Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit. We should also talk of Democratic and Undemocratic Brexit. How Brexit is managed and how we conduct ourselves is arguably as important to the future as economics. It is right to oppose Undemocratic Brexit. It is important to make that distinction and all the principles that fall under that concept. What opposition there is need to get their shit together on this principle. Using patriotism to stifle this wholly wrong and unhealthy. Saying Brexit must happen no matter what, regardless of how bad it is and regardless of the cost is wrong.

Make the case for democracy. Keep talking about it. Talk about where it is failing and what we must do to strengthen it, not undermine it.

Here lies Labour's policy on Brexit. "We support Democratic Brexit which is the will of the people. This is how we define this. This is what is needed economic and socially." You can find the necessary slogans from this and start defining it outward from that. So far they have failed to capture this sentiment concisely into a soundbite that people can start to develop and push a left wing liberal agenda on their own terms from. Their PR is shocking and they are incoherent. May owned Corbyn at PMQ earlier this week on these grounds. This is not because they have been misrepresented by the press or been the victim of biased media. Its because they have been shit and have failed to set their own agenda and instead are dancing to everyone else's.

Here’s hoping that democracy will win through the challenges of the next few years. Democracy is about elections and referendums, but it is also so much more. It is about on going debate and the freedom of this debate, freedom of the press, a range of political parties and points of view, the independent judiciary, the right to oppose the state, freedom to exercise your legal rights, freedom of speech, an understanding of equality and an understanding and above all else - respect for of all of the above. It does not bode well that much of the right wing press and right wing politicians are telling us differently.

So much hope about our futures now rests with Angela Merkel one way or another.

Meanwhile Corbyn could face a major rebellion over a50 if he pursues a three line whip rather than a free vote. 60 - 80 Labour MPs are threatening not to tow the party line with shadow cabinet resignations potentially also on the cards.

Brace yourselves the roller coaster is just about to hit a one big drop.

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TheSmurfsAreHere · 20/01/2017 15:45

Sorry Lurking read to quickly and i can see we agree with each other there.

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 15:47

Meanwhile in Washington:
A large group of protesters, many dressed all in black, some with faces covered, some carrying umbrellas, are crossing a boulevard and taking over a street, led by a large banner reading “Make Racists Afraid Again

RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 15:48

Tweet in which Osborne is quoted as having a conflict of interest.

MAUL HIM CORBYN & FARRON.
MAUL HIM

You should be all over this like a rash.

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SemiPermanent · 20/01/2017 15:50

Watching 'protesters' smash up the streets in Washington - this is scary stuff. All it takes is someone pro-Trump to turn a gun on them.

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 15:56

Deserted Washington streets. Newsfeed abruptly stops when protestors in view. BBC disparages them.

RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 16:05

NOT GOOD.

That's actually what Trump WANTS.

What needs to be true to justify what happens next.

(At the same time I'm also so cynical that whilst I know that anti-Trump protesters are responsible, I'm also thinking back to the allegation that alt-right people who turned up at an anti-Trump protest after he was elected carrying a Rape Melania placard and wondering too. That's how fucked up reality is now. No idea who is really who or why they are doing anything for what purpose)

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lurkinghusband · 20/01/2017 16:07

That's actually what Trump WANTS.

Like an enabling act ?

RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 16:12

Buried News
www.contractsfinder.service.gov.uk/Notice/80cb8204-a0e2-47df-bf4a-9c433e03cabc?p=@QxUlRRPT0=NjJNT08=UF
National Framework Agreement for Health and Social Care Transport - Wave 5

Tender for a 515million pound contract just announced

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RBeer · 20/01/2017 16:26

For anyone who is interested.
If you are tired of reading about Trump and you are on chrome, there is a chrome extension which filters all stories about Trump from your news sites.

It keeps me sane. ;)

RBeer · 20/01/2017 16:27

Funny. When i posted it, on my screen this is all i can see.
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For anyone who is interested.

It keeps me sane. ;)

OddJobsHat · 20/01/2017 16:27

Place marking to catch up later Brew

lalalonglegs · 20/01/2017 16:27

Just about to mark my place when I saw this bit of Brexit news: Keir Starmer lays into Tim Farron for "fanning flames over Brexit". Are Remainers not allowed a single parliamentary cheerleader, then? Have we just got to make do with A C Grayling?

Peregrina · 20/01/2017 16:31

Nissan may re-evaluate if May delivers a poor deal. I wonder what size bung she will give them to keep them? With Toyota, Honda and BMW in the queue too, it's going to get a little expensive. Oh silly me, the rest of the world is going to fall over to trade with us, so we will be awash with money.

lurkinghusband · 20/01/2017 16:35

Just about to mark my place when I saw this bit of Brexit news: Keir Starmer lays into Tim Farron for "fanning flames over Brexit". Are Remainers not allowed a single parliamentary cheerleader, then? Have we just got to make do with A C Grayling?

MrsLH and I may yet join the LibDems. (How times change ...)

Peregrina · 20/01/2017 16:38

Oh dear, the 52% who voted Leave don't have Tim Farron on their side. Meanwhile, for those of us in England, we only have him, his 8 MPs and Caroline Lucas to champion our cause.

Not all Labour voters voted Leave - a majority voted Remain, so you need to put your own house in order first Keir Starmer.

RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 16:41

order-order.com/2017/01/20/farage-hired-fox-news/

Guess which other prick has got himself another part time job at Fox News US

Does this mean we've got rid of him?!

hopes

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woman12345 · 20/01/2017 16:41

Is inauguration always so 'religious'?

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 16:42

I was wondering the same woman.

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 16:42

This is the creepiest day.

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 16:43

'Tomorrow belongs to us'

TheElementsSong · 20/01/2017 16:44

Are Remainers not allowed a single parliamentary cheerleader, then?

A Leaver of this parish, whom I had hitherto respected as thoughtful and knowledgeable, strongly expressed precisely this view on a previous thread last month. Essentially that the Will of the People is so utterly complete and overwhelming that no MP should be permitted to vote against (although I believe in that instance, the poster kindly conceded that a Remain-supporting MP would be allowed to say that they disagree with Brexit, prior to being compelled to vote for it in accordance with said Will of the People - so I guess we should be grateful for such magnanimity).

WifeofDarth · 20/01/2017 16:49

That is so depressing lala, labour doesn't have the balls to oppose the tories so oppose the lib dems instead. Shadow boxing

MitzyLeFrouf · 20/01/2017 16:49

It’s really starting to boil my piss that every politician who isn’t toeing the Brexit line is being accused of all sorts of crap. Just wait until Brexit turns into a massive economic clusterfuck and then we’ll be drowning in politicians clamouring to say ‘well I did raise my concerns at the time, I was never in favour of this’. Craven fools.

lalalonglegs · 20/01/2017 16:54

It is deeply depressing - and I thought Keir Starmer might be a voice of reason in this. I was so incensed watching QT last night (I know, I know), during which Emily Thornberry explained - in her ultra-slow, spelling-it-out-for-the-thickos voice - that despite being a Remain MP in a overwhelmingly Remain constituency, she feels compelled to vote to trigger A50. Clearly she is capable of greater brain gymnastics than me, I could make no sense of her reasoning at all.

Bobochic · 20/01/2017 16:55

It's a bit like the Leavers who say it's time for Remainers "to get over" the result of the referendum and "heal". It's an attempt to shut down debate and close ears to very legitimate questioning of the Brexit package (which was not debated before the referendum).

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