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Westministenders. Boris, May and Judgement Day

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RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 13:49

Well its finally here. The day America changes forever. Good luck planet earth.

Our day of reckoning is beckoning too.

Tuesday is Supreme Court Judgement Day.

At 9.30 Lord Nueberger and the other ten justices will convene and he will read out their judgement.

Contrary to some suggestions this does not mean the decision is necessarily unanimous. It is normal for the Supreme Court to do this.

Nueberger will read any disagreements out as part of the judgment.
Their ruling will be far reaching in its importance however it goes.

A victory for the government will mean a50 can be triggered as and when Theresa May likes. That could be Tuesday afternoon in theory.

If it’s a victory for the claimants then things get much more complicated. It depends on how far the justices go.

It could rule that parliament need to vote on a50.

It could rule that the Great Repeal Act must be passed before a50 can be invoked.

It could rule that the Scottish and NI Assemblies must agree to a50 being invoked.

It could rule that the Good Friday Agreement must be resolved before a50 can be invoked.

It could rule that issues over acquired rights must be resolved before invoking a50.

It could draw other conclusions that we have not thought of.

A strong victory for the claimants could seriously hamper May’s plans for Brexit. Which is exactly why she has laid out her vision and has prepared the battle lines ready for her next round of blame laying.

None of this will be because the government has been short sighted.

If there is a strong victory, remember that May could have avoided the situation by accepting the High Court’s ruling in December that she needed Parliament’s consent to trigger a50. Anything more that makes triggering a50 more difficult is her sole responsibility and she had the power to avoid. Much of the right wing press will tell you differently.

We've heard so much about Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit. We should also talk of Democratic and Undemocratic Brexit. How Brexit is managed and how we conduct ourselves is arguably as important to the future as economics. It is right to oppose Undemocratic Brexit. It is important to make that distinction and all the principles that fall under that concept. What opposition there is need to get their shit together on this principle. Using patriotism to stifle this wholly wrong and unhealthy. Saying Brexit must happen no matter what, regardless of how bad it is and regardless of the cost is wrong.

Make the case for democracy. Keep talking about it. Talk about where it is failing and what we must do to strengthen it, not undermine it.

Here lies Labour's policy on Brexit. "We support Democratic Brexit which is the will of the people. This is how we define this. This is what is needed economic and socially." You can find the necessary slogans from this and start defining it outward from that. So far they have failed to capture this sentiment concisely into a soundbite that people can start to develop and push a left wing liberal agenda on their own terms from. Their PR is shocking and they are incoherent. May owned Corbyn at PMQ earlier this week on these grounds. This is not because they have been misrepresented by the press or been the victim of biased media. Its because they have been shit and have failed to set their own agenda and instead are dancing to everyone else's.

Here’s hoping that democracy will win through the challenges of the next few years. Democracy is about elections and referendums, but it is also so much more. It is about on going debate and the freedom of this debate, freedom of the press, a range of political parties and points of view, the independent judiciary, the right to oppose the state, freedom to exercise your legal rights, freedom of speech, an understanding of equality and an understanding and above all else - respect for of all of the above. It does not bode well that much of the right wing press and right wing politicians are telling us differently.

So much hope about our futures now rests with Angela Merkel one way or another.

Meanwhile Corbyn could face a major rebellion over a50 if he pursues a three line whip rather than a free vote. 60 - 80 Labour MPs are threatening not to tow the party line with shadow cabinet resignations potentially also on the cards.

Brace yourselves the roller coaster is just about to hit a one big drop.

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HashiAsLarry · 20/01/2017 16:56

Apparently no, we're not allowed one. Because we're not allowed to disagree with the Almighty Dictator lest we be hung for treason. Well maybe not this week, but pretty soon.

MitzyLeFrouf · 20/01/2017 16:57

Trump likes a used car salesman in that tacky red tie and black overcoat. Pence looks like TV evangelist. The type who gets caught in a motel having a threesome with two 16 year old cheerleaders.

WifeofDarth · 20/01/2017 16:58

Am off to double my donation to that crowdfunding appeal for the 48%

Bobochic · 20/01/2017 16:58

Trump looks more tired and bloated than he did six months ago.

lalalonglegs · 20/01/2017 16:59

Mitzy - spot on Grin

lurkinghusband · 20/01/2017 17:02

Is inauguration always so 'religious'?

Presumably it's a way of underscoring the separation of Church and State that Americans bang on about endlessly ? In fact it must be. The alternative is that they are full of shit - and I can't believe that ....

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 17:04

oh oh here we go..

CarelessWispas · 20/01/2017 17:05

Trump's coming out with a load of of divisive shite already. Disgusting.

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 17:07

The forgotten people of this country will be forgotten no longer ... does this include disadvantaged women and black and ethnic minorities?

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 17:07

we be hung for treason Nuttalls and UKIP want the death penalty.

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 17:08

oh oh oh oh ...........

WifeofDarth · 20/01/2017 17:10

Just a thought, but have our MPs always been so spineless? it's just taken an issue of such magnitude to show it up? If so that would explain a few things

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 17:10

Trump is insulting Obama.

prettybird · 20/01/2017 17:10

Protectionism shite too, which doesn't understand how the global economy grows Sad

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 17:10

wonder what obama is thinking right now

CarelessWispas · 20/01/2017 17:11

"America First"

Jingoistic twattery.

MitzyLeFrouf · 20/01/2017 17:12

And the crowd goes.....mild.

Tiny handed, orange faced idiot.

CarelessWispas · 20/01/2017 17:13

Obama is a dignified statesman and a gentleman. His face is blank.

Hillary however, has her bitch on. And good for her.

RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 17:14

Have you seen the crowds.

Those HUUUUUGGGGEEEE crowds?

twitter.com/mviser/status/822480417727115268

Ian Dunt ‏*@IanDunt* 2m
Fuck me he's such a nutter

Katie Martin ‏*@katie*martinfx 2m
Buy gold.

No but I have cracked open the gin (yes really. If I can't do it now when can I?)

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user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 17:14

i am having goosebumps listening to him. Shivering, just drew our blinds feeling a little like shutting the world out and keeping my family safe Sad Sad Sad

MitzyLeFrouf · 20/01/2017 17:14

I wonder what his first tweet as POTUS will be.

HashiAsLarry · 20/01/2017 17:14

'We will follow two simple rules - Buy American and Hire American'

Well that bodes well for our trade deal Hmm

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 17:16

anyone else feeling really worried?

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 17:18

Since 3am Nov 10th and June 24th user
Let this be a warning to us:the republicans could have stopped this.

TuckersBadLuck · 20/01/2017 17:20

www.ft.com/content/d2fa5938-def7-11e6-86ac-f253db7791c6

Hammond: “We have seen since the referendum our currency depreciate significantly,” he said. “The currency depreciation is now feeding through into inflation, which will increasingly affect consumer behaviour during this year — hence the lower forecast for economic growth in 2017.”

The chancellor’s words came as official retail sales figures for December showed volumes on the high street and online fell 2 per cent. With the rate of inflation rising to 1.6 per cent, the squeeze on household finances is likely to intensify in 2017 as price rises begin to exceed wage rises.

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