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Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 15:17

Theresa May has made a speech.

It’s a wish list for hard core Brexiteers. It’s a large corporate executive’s wet dream for exploitation.

Even requests for a white paper as recommended by the Brexit Committee have been ignored. Thus meaning there is no chance for proper scrutiny. Plus whilst on the one hand parliament have been told they will have a vote on the end deal, this is merely slight of hand, with Davis stating that if parliament vote against this, then we will leave the EU without a deal in a chaotic exit. Thus making the vote an exercise with a gun to parliament's head.

Workers Rights and the Welfare State die with Brexit. Even the precious NHS. Especially the precious NHS once its been stole off to the highest American bidder.

May is being lobbied by her hard right and to save her next she listens only to them. She has no interest in listening to anyone else. The demographic and voting patterns favour her to head this direction. There is nothing to be gained for her personally by doing anything else.

She is already laughing her head off in glee at the collapse of the NI assembly. It plays right to her agenda.

Under the wheels of the bus go the JAMs, under go the disenfranchised who rarely vote but came out in force for the referendum, under go single mothers, under go the disabled, under go those with mental health concerns who struggle with already bureaucratic systems set up to ‘catch them out’, under go the EU immigrants especially those who have families here and may not have equal rights in future, under go British Citizens living abroad who might find themselves without healthcare or pensions, under go our Human Rights and any chance of challenging the state’s authority and interference in our every day lives, under go small business who will drown in red tape, under go Scotland and NI.

Yet this is ‘for the children’ or ‘the grandchildren’. Its spineless and cynical and offers nothing for those currently able to vote but under the age of 40. Won't you think of the children? Its fine if you are already retired and have a nice little pension isn't it?

The National Interest? This is a foreign concept. Probably an EU one.

The Baby Boomers are net beneficiaries of the welfare state. The young are unlikely to have a welfare state in a few years and are already net contributors. They have now been robbed of the choice over their future and in patronising tones effectively told they are irrelevant.

And of course Uncle Donald is a fan. You can almost see his vampire fangs reading to get his teeth into the UK and suck the life blood out of it.

It is a horror show.

Its all about selling Theresa May to the Express and the Mail and they love it. Her speech is to set the scene of how committed she is and to lay the blame at anyone who challenges her. It attacks the EU and paints them as the aggressor who are there to prevent poor little Britain from getting what it wants. If Brexit goes wrong, it was all an anti-British plot. Not a collective self inflicted brain haemorrhage. She's gone full on Farage and out Farages Farage.

This all comes perhaps a week before the Supreme Court Ruling.

Funny timing eh? No not really.

It’s a pre-emptive strike.

What on earth will they say? Will this merely allow May to dismantle our current legal system by gathering support for a General Election Manifesto that outlines its demise? Thus extending the mandate for Brexit even further. Probably.

I fear that the courts may only serve to strengthen May in the long run due to the lack of opposition and a Labour party that is imploding, with dozens of its MPs being rumoured to be looking for employment elsewhere. I fear that without a media able to effectively hold May to account in the face of her media baron supporters.

Our only hope really lies within the Conservative party itself and whether May is able to keep a lid on the various on going power struggles. The only trouble is that one of those challengers is a certain Brutus in the form of Mr Gove. I struggle to work out who would be worse; Gove or May. And of course this only highlights the issue that who else is there with in the Conservatives who isn’t a reptile? Even Arron Banks commentated that during the referendum he found Labour MPs nice people and the Conservatives unpleasant almost to a man. High praise indeed.

Meanwhile in America, NATO is obsolete and so Europe will have to consider an EU Army and Russia is firmly getting its claws in. And yeah, just Donald Trump. That Project Fear thing was just fake scaremongering wasn't it? Right? Right?

sigh

What on earth can possible stop this insanity? Not necessarily stop Brexit, but at least stop the PURE INSANITY.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 19:27

That's not exactly an explanation... it hardly says why apart from to say 'Because Theresa May says so'. That's a bit thin on the substance. Its a rehash of a bunch of slogans. You are repeating like a parrot.

That's very nice and all, but I'm not sure that's sufficient for a policy.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 19:32

Is there any more news on Liz Kendall?

I heard she has denied it and that's it. I was just about to have a look at the figures for her constituency though if it does go to a by-election though. Just in case.

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BlueberryGateaux · 17/01/2017 19:32

Checking in..

birdybirdywoofwoof · 17/01/2017 19:32

Well At least supermummy dives in to debate here rather than take bits off this thread to dissect and laugh over elsewhere.

I feel today's speech was inevitable. This is the road we have been on since June.

user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 19:36

"I expect Mr May can spell the meal that you eat in the evening, and the things that you pass through on your way into and out of a country." Smile

Now that you mention in, dodgy grammar too... supermummy is English your native language?

Peregrina · 17/01/2017 19:42

The rest of us know just how bankrupt they are.
Some of us, who happen to be five years older than May and with quite a similar upbringing, (although not the daughter of a vicar in my case) also know how bankrupt they are.

Some of the stuff written is Mail/Express/Farage/Johnson hogwash - we made 87% of our own laws anyway - because they were wholly domestic issues, and nothing to do with the EU. Some EU laws we sponsored ourselves, and the vast majority we voted in favour of. Although not Farage, who although he reckoned to support the fishing industry, only turned up for one meeting out of the 42 he should have attended. So good to have MEPs who discharge their duties conscientiously. (To be fair, some of the other UKIP MPs have a much better record.)

We won't pay massive amounts of money to Brussels and nor will we get the massive amounts back. So, you are out of luck there Cornwall - don't expect Westminster to help you out, because to them Cornwall is only a place for a second home, not somewhere where people live and work and want to bring up families.

We already control our own borders - we are not in Schengen and had no plans to be so.

We could trade with the rest of the world. What, I wonder are we going to trade? Does Sheffield still make cutlery? Does Stoke on Trent still make pots? There is one Lace factory left in Nottingham - this industry alone provided at least three generations of one side of my family with work. Shipbuilding - a little still, but non on Wearside. Ah yes, we are going to export tea and jam.

pointythings · 17/01/2017 19:47

And here is a judgement from the evil awful horrible European Court of Human Rights - in the Uk's favour. Like most of their calls have been, in fact.

DebbieDownersGiveItARest · 17/01/2017 19:48

put forward a leave point of view we would actually like to hear

The only LEAVE pov any remainer on here seems to want to hear is the:

" Oh dear, we made a terrible mistake we did, we thought we were voting for 350 Millions because the Bus and The Mail told us so, now we feels really stupid - and we made a mistake"

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user1484653592 · 17/01/2017 19:51

"Well At least supermummy dives in to debate here rather than take bits off this thread to dissect and laugh over elsewhere." agreed. I had no idea That Thread was still going. A quick glimpse suggests stupidity is prevailing. Small minded, gullible hogwash.....

Inkanta · 17/01/2017 19:53

Debbie and Supermummy - come on now .. this way back to Brexit Arms. Get under my umbrella - ella - ella.

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Peregrina · 17/01/2017 19:54

The ECHR is a separate body to the ECJ, and not an EU one. A key factor, missed by Theresa May, who gives no appearance of knowing any history, is that much of it was drafted by British lawyers after WW2 for extremely good reasons.

woman12345 · 17/01/2017 19:58

Does anyone know a tv channel with trump sexual assault accuser and lawyer in live interview now? Channel 4 news ended as it went live, and strangely it's not on BBC>

Suppermummy02 · 17/01/2017 19:58

Unless that clean, clear position has a damaging effect on their business No evidence for that whatsoever.

What will the tariffs be on the goods and services that we export? That will be negotiated like every other trade deal is, thats normal.

We are going to be able to make our own laws... We can already do that No we cant, the ECJ is able to overrule our supreme court.

we may well have to pay massive amounts for customs officers to stop and check imports and massive amounts in tariffs on top of our exports
If we have to pay tariffs then we will make a profit because we will make more on the tariffs the EU will pay us.

We already do. We're not in the borderless Schengen area
Confused Freedom of movement means Anyone in the EU can come to the UK, we are not allowed to stop them. After Brexit we will be able to change that.

pointythings · 17/01/2017 19:59

I know that, peregrina. I imagine a lot of leavers people do not.

BestIsWest · 17/01/2017 19:59

Checking in.

Suppermummy02 · 17/01/2017 20:00

RedToothBrush
Where is your evidence for anything you say in your first post, its all just your opinion. I think TM is in a far better position to know what will happen, so her opinion has a lot more weight.

Mistigri · 17/01/2017 20:01

I ŵork for a FTSE 100 company which is a large exporter of manufactured goods to the UK and whose UK manufacturing business is now under threat from non-tariff barriers (but that's OK: we can move the manufacturing to our plants in Belgium and eastern Europe. Shame for the shop floor employees, though).

Fawful · 17/01/2017 20:02

(Thank you Red, really appreciate your threads!)

SemiPermanent · 17/01/2017 20:03

I expect Mr May can spell the meal that you eat in the evening, and the things that you pass through on your way into and out of a country.

Now that you mention in, dodgy grammar too... supermummy is English your native language?

How charming!
Picking apart a poster's spelling & grammar because she disagrees with you?!

Best look closer to home if the order of the day is smug pedantry.

CrystalMcPistol · 17/01/2017 20:03

woman I was watching that too! Was settling down to hear the latest sleazy Trump revelations. Ah well, Twitter will tell me.

Suppermummy02 · 17/01/2017 20:04

FYI I was on the fence about Brexit/Remain. I thought either would work and just wanted a decision so we could get on with it. Now we voted to leave I am keen for it to work and everything I have seen since the vote indicates it will work. Project Fear turned out to be wrong and WW3 didn't start. The only annoying thing is how the few people who dont respect democracy are now trying to overturn a democratic process.

TuckersBadLuck · 17/01/2017 20:05

Freedom of movement means Anyone in the EU can come to the UK, we are not allowed to stop them.

It doesn't mean that at all.

If we have to pay tariffs then we will make a profit because we will make more on the tariffs the EU will pay us.

The EU won't pay us anything, it's paid for by the companies importing the goods and then passed on to the people and businesses who eventually buy the goods. Didn't you realise that? So we employ lots of extra customs people and our consumers and businesses pay for them. Smashing.

No we cant, the ECJ is able to overrule our supreme court.

Only on matters of EU law, which are far less intrusive than you might imagine and generally favour the rights of the citizen/consumer over Governments and corporations.

CrystalMcPistol · 17/01/2017 20:07

Project Fear turned out to be wrong and WW3 didn't start.

You do know that Brexit hasn't actually happened yet though? I think some people seem to scoot over that little fact when they say 'oh look isn't our economy doing fabulously?'. Because the UK is still in the EU...

Suppermummy02 · 17/01/2017 20:09

If posters want to slag off my opinion because of my grammar then I can only laugh at the little minds that cant grasp any reality beyond their own toilet.

To be frank I dont a crap about my grammar on MN, its a trashy trolling forum not an English thesis.

woman12345 · 17/01/2017 20:09

Gove's mate:
"At least 13 women, including the president-elect’s first wife, have accused Trump of forcibly kissing, inappropriately touching or looking at them, or worse".
The first wife accusation is particularly important. She had to sign an agreement to keep silent about it. It's documented in this article:
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/24/documenting-trumps-abuse-of-women
Now, these men are testing my compassion, especially what Putin said in his press conference.

Brave women. They have had all sorts thrown at them since accusations and looks like they are taking it forward.