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Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 15:17

Theresa May has made a speech.

It’s a wish list for hard core Brexiteers. It’s a large corporate executive’s wet dream for exploitation.

Even requests for a white paper as recommended by the Brexit Committee have been ignored. Thus meaning there is no chance for proper scrutiny. Plus whilst on the one hand parliament have been told they will have a vote on the end deal, this is merely slight of hand, with Davis stating that if parliament vote against this, then we will leave the EU without a deal in a chaotic exit. Thus making the vote an exercise with a gun to parliament's head.

Workers Rights and the Welfare State die with Brexit. Even the precious NHS. Especially the precious NHS once its been stole off to the highest American bidder.

May is being lobbied by her hard right and to save her next she listens only to them. She has no interest in listening to anyone else. The demographic and voting patterns favour her to head this direction. There is nothing to be gained for her personally by doing anything else.

She is already laughing her head off in glee at the collapse of the NI assembly. It plays right to her agenda.

Under the wheels of the bus go the JAMs, under go the disenfranchised who rarely vote but came out in force for the referendum, under go single mothers, under go the disabled, under go those with mental health concerns who struggle with already bureaucratic systems set up to ‘catch them out’, under go the EU immigrants especially those who have families here and may not have equal rights in future, under go British Citizens living abroad who might find themselves without healthcare or pensions, under go our Human Rights and any chance of challenging the state’s authority and interference in our every day lives, under go small business who will drown in red tape, under go Scotland and NI.

Yet this is ‘for the children’ or ‘the grandchildren’. Its spineless and cynical and offers nothing for those currently able to vote but under the age of 40. Won't you think of the children? Its fine if you are already retired and have a nice little pension isn't it?

The National Interest? This is a foreign concept. Probably an EU one.

The Baby Boomers are net beneficiaries of the welfare state. The young are unlikely to have a welfare state in a few years and are already net contributors. They have now been robbed of the choice over their future and in patronising tones effectively told they are irrelevant.

And of course Uncle Donald is a fan. You can almost see his vampire fangs reading to get his teeth into the UK and suck the life blood out of it.

It is a horror show.

Its all about selling Theresa May to the Express and the Mail and they love it. Her speech is to set the scene of how committed she is and to lay the blame at anyone who challenges her. It attacks the EU and paints them as the aggressor who are there to prevent poor little Britain from getting what it wants. If Brexit goes wrong, it was all an anti-British plot. Not a collective self inflicted brain haemorrhage. She's gone full on Farage and out Farages Farage.

This all comes perhaps a week before the Supreme Court Ruling.

Funny timing eh? No not really.

It’s a pre-emptive strike.

What on earth will they say? Will this merely allow May to dismantle our current legal system by gathering support for a General Election Manifesto that outlines its demise? Thus extending the mandate for Brexit even further. Probably.

I fear that the courts may only serve to strengthen May in the long run due to the lack of opposition and a Labour party that is imploding, with dozens of its MPs being rumoured to be looking for employment elsewhere. I fear that without a media able to effectively hold May to account in the face of her media baron supporters.

Our only hope really lies within the Conservative party itself and whether May is able to keep a lid on the various on going power struggles. The only trouble is that one of those challengers is a certain Brutus in the form of Mr Gove. I struggle to work out who would be worse; Gove or May. And of course this only highlights the issue that who else is there with in the Conservatives who isn’t a reptile? Even Arron Banks commentated that during the referendum he found Labour MPs nice people and the Conservatives unpleasant almost to a man. High praise indeed.

Meanwhile in America, NATO is obsolete and so Europe will have to consider an EU Army and Russia is firmly getting its claws in. And yeah, just Donald Trump. That Project Fear thing was just fake scaremongering wasn't it? Right? Right?

sigh

What on earth can possible stop this insanity? Not necessarily stop Brexit, but at least stop the PURE INSANITY.

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ManonLescaut · 20/01/2017 13:34

After 8 years of foodbanks I wouldn't be falling for lies from a 6x bankrupt millionaire.

Peregrina · 20/01/2017 13:40

I can't really get why people voted for Trump. Some of it was not voting for Hillary. Some of it is due to the way the electoral college works.

I can get why women who are the more extreme evangelical Christians voted for him - they are big on Paul's strictures from the New Testament about 'wives submitting to husbands' so if their husband is an arse who says 'vote for Trump' that is what they will do.

HashiAsLarry · 20/01/2017 13:45

I can get why there's an allure to someone who isn't a career politician and the feeling its a breath of fresh air. But I can see that more in a Boris for Mayor or Arnie for Governor way, not in a running the entire country way.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/01/2017 13:46

chesnuts On Free Movement of EU citizens Juncker & Merkel are reflecting the views of most citizens in the EU.

Within other EU countries, popular outrage is specifically against MENA immigration
and / or accepting large numbers of refugees.
(who don't have Free Movement anyway, because they aren't EU citizens)

What May wants - to stop Free Movement for EU citizens - would mean ending a right that most other EU citizens wish to retain.

RedToothBrush · 20/01/2017 13:48

Lets just remember that the very poorest in the US did not vote Trump.

The average income of a Trump supporter was higher than that of a Clinton supporter. By a considerable amount.

There were a great many people who supported Trump because they don't like people who use food banks and think they are lazy and a drain on society. Not because want to support people in this position.

Which view tipped things in favour of Trump? The answer is both.

This is what Trump can not square unless he takes another strategy. This was the one of identity over the economy.

He will have to continue with this, if he intends to make cuts to the state (including repealing Obamacare) and maintain support.

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ChestnutsRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 20/01/2017 13:49

I think a lot of it was not voting for Hilary. Also he doesn't use 'politician speak'. Same goes for Boris. They are good at connecting with the common man, albeit on a superficial sound bite level. People are desperate for alternatives. Even if those are are rich idiots with no real understanding of real life.

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howabout · 20/01/2017 13:56

Love that George Soros article Red. Made me almost spill my tea on the keyboard laughing and seeing people talk about market psychology and then reflecting on how he makes money Grin

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 14:02

LA is refusing to deport illegal immigrants, Chicago is offering itself as a safe town for immigrants. Where's our safe place?

Michael Crick ‏*@MichaelLCrick*
^Surrey referendum is being presented as about social care. Surrey say, in fact, only about third of extra revenue would go to social care
One wonders if this planned council tax referendum is bit of negotiating ploy by Surrey, to force embarrassed ministers into concessions^?
Is this our Anthony Meyer council?

Peter Hain to vote agains a50, and he's got some NI expertise.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/20/labour-peer-peter-hain-article-50-single-market

Peregrina · 20/01/2017 14:07

woman12345 - this is all getting very interesting.

For myself, I really think we are approaching a crisis and need a genuine coalition like the war time one. From that came some huge reforms.

SemiPermanent · 20/01/2017 14:19

Thank you to those who responded and explained re NI.
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user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 16:27

Watching the inauguration on BBC. Wow Michelle Obama for president Star

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 16:28

and Mr Orange looks like swallowed a lemon

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 16:28

looks nervous as hell

user1484653592 · 20/01/2017 16:29

impostor syndrome

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 16:39

genuine coalition like the war time one agreed that since June23rd.
If we don't, we get what we're watching in Washington now.
If the republicans hadn't bottled it, this would not being done to us now.

King Solomon a wise Jew! With Bannon on the stage!

woman12345 · 20/01/2017 16:42

Now they're praying for wisdom. Hope mrs god is listening.

Cailleach1 · 20/01/2017 17:24

Flippin' heck, Trump is getting anointed by God now. Preacher man saying it is raining and that is a sign of God's blessing.

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