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[surferjet]

Pull up a chair and relax.....

Yes I think they have Rorty I saw someone lovingly putting nails into the seat part only this morning..
I got dragged into the chair once, I still have nightmares about it. I told them everything I knew but it wasn't enough. I had to lie in the end just to get back to the bar.

Hopefully a few leavers will pop in & give their views Just a heads up on those nails.

LOL Semi terrifying.

Thank you surferjet

I have less faith in our negotiators than you but I also want a good result. Cards on the table, for me, that would ideally mean staying in the EU, but a good enough result for the UK outside the EU would be fine too.

I'm worried however about the gamble TM could be taking in pitching this proposed strategy to the EU. Bottom line, on a personal level i could deal with an ultra free trade country, and I think my kids could be equipped to cope too, but it's not really what I want for all of us. Hopefully it won't come to that.

stripey I think your right there, I think she is going to make waves and cause eruptions. I bet she never ever thought she would be dealing with this as PM, if she ever thought she could be PM.

Hopefully it won't come to that

she simply has to be hard core about it - the EU won't budge. They are mad hatters and irrational.

I think one needs to look at this now as a negotiation whether your remain or leave you simply don't go into any negotiation soft with low expectations. You have to be prepared to walk away and this is what it seems to me all the noises coming out are alluding too.

Give us what we want EU or we will walk away. Going in with that strategy, yes we may get something.

Going in soft, wont get us anywhere. My humble view anyway.

Stripey , yes you could well be right there.

I hope mumsnet HQ are prepared, Tuesday could be a very busy day on the EU Ref board

Ha! Yes - Tuesday is going to be busy.
And then the court ruling not long after...!!
At least it will be new stuff to chew over - it's all a bit stale at the mo.

Can't wait for the inevitable onslaught on here

I don't know if I can take it time4, nerve wracking not so much TM but all the drag she will get in Parliament.

I'm going to all day event on Tuesday quite looking forward to catching up on the news and mn when I get home. The idea that the UK goes into the negotiations with an expectation of it taking ten years was quite frightening glad May scotched that and I'm hoping she goes in hard.

I saw an order on the bar for more chairs semi,....careful on the way to the loo. Its OK early on isn't it - when your clear headed and can dodge, its later on after a few....

Agree Semi re Stale.

I have feeling big surges coming with the new movement but after that I have feeling there is going to be long slog against parliament.

She has to go in Hard, there is no other way. People moan about the others jumping ship, no one in charge, no one at the rudder. Well lets hope they allow her to do this and steer us through these choppy waters.

I'm going to all day event on Tuesday

Infinite - are you Theresa May?!

Thank you for the time4chocolate. Have one too

DebbieDownersGiveitARest Yes, we need a credible alternative to make any negotiating strategy plausible. An ultra liberal low tax country is, I think, our most realistic economic alternative to continued single market membership (or equivalent access under a new name).

As a strategy it could work and give us the single market access we want (or near enough) on acceptable terms to us. If it doesn't work, we need to be prepared to face what that means for the country. This is likely to mean lower tax, higher social division than we have at the moment, a reduced NHS (emergency care only?), lower employment and social protections. There will be winners and losers from this. It would be a more US-style society I think. I'm interested to know whether Leavers on here would be ok with this. It's not necessarily wrong or terrible, the US is ok (bar Trump of course), but it is different from where we are at the moment.

If May goes in hard (whatever that means) and the EU calls her bluff, then what?

Semi -
Debbie - I know what you mean
Infinite - I think you will need to set aside the whole evening

I just hope we don't have a re-run on here as we had in the immediate aftermath of June 24th - I am fairly thick skinned but don't know if I am that thick skinned enough to go through it all again

Did anyone find out about Claig btw??

She's been here for years - shame that she's been disappeared

Time4, my thick skin was getting far too calloused - am going to be undergoing regular reinventions on here over the coming months I think.

Semi - no I haven't but would love to have an update.
Surfer - have you heard? If so can you/are you able to shed any light on anything Claigster wise.

Time and Semi - just dodge that chair

Then what, Informal is the start of the negotiations. She starts high and they do, I guess we go from there. There are going to be many many changes as we go along as in every negotiation.

Its great news for us - that Trump got in, whatever you think of him from a purely Brexit stance and lets hope Mulloch gets the EU Ambassadors job, that would be a HUGE positive for us, Huge ( as Trump would say), its not going to harm anyway having this background right at the start of Brexit talks proper.

Exciting times. Anyway good night all.

I pm'd claig a good few days ago - no reply.

Hard Brexit - no, thanks.

G'night Debbie

What the Queen thinks about the EU, and hard Brexit angst:

that's fab. And yes Informal if he EU call our bluff we leave in two years with no trading agreement (with the EU) but compared lately free to draw up others in the global market. Perhaps that will be the case perhaps it won't.

Re @Claig you really can't blame her for taking a break the abuse is horrific but hopefully she will do what many of us do name change and carry on. You have to be thick skinned as the name calling gets very nasty and the endless interrogation no matter how many times you answer is wearing. I try to ignore those posters where possible. I know I'm not racist, thick, pathetic, stupid, dumb, illiterate, lazy, selfish I am perhaps old (early fifties) but neither feel nor act it, funnily enough I am also pretty much a hipster (teach yoga dh is an artist etc etc).

Infinite - you do realise that the UK would have to renegotiate its WTO tariffs? And the UK would be negotiating with 160 countries rather than 27? That would be really falling off a cliff edge.