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The Brexit Arms. A friendly place for anyone wanting to chat about Brexit.

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surferjet · 14/01/2017 15:07

Pull up a chair and relax.....Smile

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SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 31/01/2017 13:48

I don't think it's about 'group think vaccination' - you're not renegade free-thinking controversialists, are you, you're in the 52% after all!

I wish there could just be a think vaccination, though!

SemiPermanent · 31/01/2017 14:05

I wish there could just be a think vaccination, though

I agree - then perhaps people would be enabled to jump off the outraged bus, and onto the pragmatism train.

time4chocolate · 31/01/2017 14:07

Semi - agree with everything in your last post (plus loving the outrage bus)

The EU need to take a good hard look at themselves before they start criticising Trump.

You have to take this right back to the beginning and wonder how different things would have turned out if Merkel hadn't flung the doors open without any thought, never mind any checks or balances in place:

Would Trump be president?
Would Nigel Farage be escalated to the circles he is in now?
Would Brexit have happened?

I feel it's because of this one action we now have all of the above. It was the straw that broke the camels back. If people are looking to protest about the state the UK/US are in now then their best bet would be to vent their outrage outside Brussels ...... but wait, they won't do that because the EU is a great club that we must be part of whatever, so they just vent elsewhere instead.

howabout · 31/01/2017 14:14

Still not nailed posting the actual image Sad

howabout · 31/01/2017 14:15

goo.gl/images/clu9ZH

SemiPermanent · 31/01/2017 14:18

There you go howabout Smile

The Brexit Arms. A friendly place for anyone wanting to chat about Brexit.
WrongTrouser · 31/01/2017 14:27

Would Trump be president?
Would Nigel Farage be escalated to the circles he is in now?
Would Brexit have happened?

I think you might be staying into dangerously wouldaboutery territory there time4. Please keep to the matter in hand Grin

howabout · 31/01/2017 14:30
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WrongTrouser · 31/01/2017 14:33

Is it just me or are Owen Jones' articles sounding less and less like he's even convinced himself?

time4chocolate · 31/01/2017 14:46

Wrong - sorry busy morning at work and wasn't thinking, I won't let the whataboutery happen again Grin

LadyOhDearOhDear · 31/01/2017 15:17

From the Guardian today (their live business feed)

Over to Greece where deadlocked talks with creditors keeping the debt-stricken country afloat have once again raised the spectre of Grexit and the need for contingency plans.
Our correspondent Helena Smith reports from Athens:

It is a scenario that in the ranks of Syriza, the governing left-wing party, no one openly wants. But as the extent of the impasse between Greece and its creditors becomes ever clear – with lenders insisting that without further cuts further bailout loans cannot be made – prominent Syriza figures have begun to talk publicly of the need to address Grexit as a possibility.

Speaking on Skai TV this morning, Nikos Xydakis, former alternate foreign minister for European affairs, said discussion of euro exit should not longer be considered “taboo.”

“There should be no taboos when we’re talking about the nation’s fate. We have come to a point where the populace has run out of stamina. I believe we need an in-depth political and national discussion that has not taken place in seven years and, of course, this discussion needs to start in parliament.”

Given that Germany’s finance minister had repeatedly raised the issue of Greece returning to the drachma it was, he added, impossible to avoid the subject. “What can you say? I’m not going to discuss it when Mr Schauble is saying it,” he asked.

Expounding on his belief that the euro zone will some day dissolve, Syriza MEP Stelios Kouloglou similarly said Athens should be working on contingency plans for a scenario that should not be discounted. “We have to be prepared for every eventuality … the government should be working on a plan,” he told the radio station, Action FM, insisting that if euro exit were to happen Greece should not do it alone but on the coattails of another euro zone member also exiting.

“Italy may leave. If that happens Greece should hide behind it and leave at the time.”

In the wake of virulent response to his comments Xydakis later tried to clarify on his FaceBook page that he was not in favour of Grexit. But his remarks appeared to have opened the door to something far bigger than he may have intended.

In a letter to EU commission president Jean-Claude Juncker, the former commissioner Anna Diamantopoulou demanded to know what plans had been drawn up around Grexit at the height of the country’s debt crisis in 2015.

“Xydakis’ statements - expected although we did not know who would utter them or when - have formally brought the views and thoughts of members of today’s Syriza-Anel coalition government to public discussion. The dilemma, drachma or euro, will sow division with civil war passion in a country which should urgently unite and stand on its feet.”

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 31/01/2017 15:25

Just musing

Does anyone think that the vote tomorrow by MPs will be technically closer, or much further apart...the one to trigger A50

I am going out so if i dont reply i am not ignoring anyone

InfiniteSheldon · 31/01/2017 15:25

I love it when people mention cologne, it's so utterly irrelevant. Like no-one has ever been to an event where white westerners harassed women. Have a look on the BBC website- they have an article about women being sexually assaulted at gigs. This has been going on for years, but no one gives a shit. It's only an issue when the offender has a different skin colour
An eighteen year old girl had to have an abortion after being gang raped In Cologne Bolshy I hardly think harassment covers gang rape that's a deeply shameful post

boredofbrexit · 31/01/2017 16:16

If you can bear it there is a good article on sssh...Breitbart about the refugee crisis and how Obama is to blame. Obama that is/was such a good friend of Merkel.

I do agree that political correctness and the cult of the celebrity played a huge part in the Brexit vote.

DebbieDownersGiveItARest · 31/01/2017 16:17

wrong I really cannot bear the man! I couldn't bring myself to read one of his articles ever again!

SemiPermanent · 31/01/2017 16:35

Is it this one Bored?

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/01/31/rabbi-shmuley-refugee-obama-trump/

(Brace yourself for incoming flack over a Breitbart link.....)

DebbieDownersGiveItARest · 31/01/2017 16:46

By making the subject of immigration completely off limits, people had no option in that respect other than to vote Brexit (although I would have personally voted Leave anyway, I don't actually think Leave would have won if the immigration point had been addressed)

I agree and I feel many people felt stuff like talking about saving the NHS was utterly pointless, when the NHS has no idea how many users it will have year on year day in day out, how many beds, how many anything will it need....impossible to predict with open door immigration + being highly desirable destination Nation.

Empty concern in my view on the NHS, schools all of it.

lady thanks for that - I keep reading there is a race to exit the Euro Italy wants to be first....I never realised Greece was also seriously considering it.
Also great news about the City - at long last. Smile

Kaija · 31/01/2017 17:34

Debbie Downer " Why on earth are we - Uk not supposed to trade with it [Turkey] when the EU already does? I dont understand your point there. "

The point of the article is recognition of what an incipient dictatorship looks like, particularly with regard to press intimidation and suppression, and the need to stand up against it before it is too late.

SemiPermanent · 31/01/2017 18:36

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

Petition for The Donald to make a state visit to UK.

Just thought I'd pop a link on the thread in case Bear, Woman, User, Seek, Bolshy et al want to sign it...

(Spelling & grammar leave a lot to be desired unfortunately 😧)

boredofbrexit · 31/01/2017 18:40

Even the Guardian is talking sense:

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/31/eu-uk-brexit-free-trade-leavers-hans-werner-sinn

boredofbrexit · 31/01/2017 18:48

yes semi, thats the one.

well, the return has been filed and tax paid and its now time to relax in the pub with a nice red wine while watching the commons debate. hope surfer has a late licence.

boredofbrexit · 31/01/2017 18:50

i posted this yesterday on the other thtead - no response - but thought it was worth another mention...did any of you notice that in Obamas statement yesterday he was still referred to as the PresidentConfused???

DebbieDownersGiveItARest · 31/01/2017 18:52

bored no I missed his statement and missed the reference!

SemiPermanent · 31/01/2017 18:54

I do think that delaying article 50 until this year has turned out to be quite prudent Bored.
It's allowed everyone to get past the emotion & start getting pragmatic - the city statement earlier today & sensible analyses from other quarters, too (as with that guardian article).