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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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LurkingHusband · 21/11/2016 17:08

Though DH would given half the chance. He's currently banned, as he'd probably blow the house up.

No danger of blowing yourself up if you use the right kit a water distiller. 9 years of doing it, and no one has complained yet ...

I really cannot describe the warm glow of sipping a very agreeable "single malt" whilst visualising two fingers being proudly waved at Phillip Hammond. Although it is a decreasing pleasure. It was at it's peak for some reason when Gordon Brown was chancellor Grin.

Anyone who likes stories about incompetent governments could do a lot worse than read how New Zealand became home distilling capital of the world. It has a resonance with Brexit, actually, as it highlights what the risks are with badly drafted laws. And Brexit is going to require a lot of new laws. A staggering amount. Fuckloads.

Uppsala · 21/11/2016 17:08

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whatwouldrondo · 21/11/2016 17:11

Merrie My rap isn't great but I can think of a few other songs from American musicals that could fit the bill, "You have to be carefully taught" and "I'm going to wash that man right out of my hair" from South Pacific for starters......

LurkingHusband · 21/11/2016 17:13

Lurking's comment about India was interesting. NZ and Australia felt very much the same I understand. No doubt they'll be overjoyed to have us back

I think we are going to find that "Brexit" is going to give a lot of countries we desperately want to do business with an opportunity to let us know exactly what they think of us.

I've only just stopped laughing when the need for a trade deal with Canada was mentioned - although I have heard that despite what anyone thinks, the Quebecois are secretly anglophiles, and would do anything to ensure a trade deal with Canada went smoothly. Anyone who thinks they're just keeping quiet with hopes of spoiling it much later down the line are just talking Britain down - again.

LurkingHusband · 21/11/2016 17:14

Ooo ! Songs from the shows !

Now that's a thread in itself.

whatwouldrondo · 21/11/2016 17:18

Amended statement from the Scientists "
So Theresa May is promising an extra £2bn/year for science by 2020 - and Jeremy Corbyn is citing Harold Wilson's famous "white heat of a scientific revolution" speech.
This is all good - as it's getting science into policy and politics. That means a stronger voice for us and increased capacity to do good for our country. However, we must ensure that scientists do not seem "bought out" by this offer. We don't want to be pacified nor complicit in "Brexit Britain" plans. Further, given the rest of the Autumn Statement is looking horrendous for the poor, mentally and disabled -- we need to ensure that science is not pulled away from serving the people for a corporate/profiteering end. The most urgent place to channel extra funds would be into health services research, health data, medical innovation, mental health, social care and everything that improves public services and quality of life."

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 17:25

I fear I might implode when I hear tomorrows budget.

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TheBathroomSink · 21/11/2016 17:40

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 9m9 minutes ago
By my count, of the 40 people ever to have served as Ukip MEPs, 13 - 32.5% of the total - have either now quit the party or been expelled

‏@montie Tim Montgomerie ن
So Farage has fallen out with Carswell, Suzanne Evans, UKIP's founder, most of the party's executive, and now Mrs James. Who've I forgotten?

Brendan May ‏@bmay 14m14 minutes ago
Brendan May Retweeted Tim Montgomerie ن
Godfrey Bloom. Neil Hamilton.

Someone else points out in a reply that when he inevitably falls out with Trump, he'll probably keep it very quiet.

From an outside perspective, it seems like they enjoy getting rid of anyone who gets a bit of a profile going - although he's a bit screwed when it comes to Carswell!

SapphireStrange · 21/11/2016 17:44

Just joining in. Awaiting Hammond's Statement with some trepidation.

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 19:06

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-approval-european-union-brexit-popularity-uk-bertelsmann-foundation-a7430266.html
British support for the EU up 7% since Brexit referendum

www.ft.com/content/9cfdad52-ada7-11e6-9cb3-bb8207902122
Support for EU rises since Brexit vote, survey shows
Popularity of union confounds anti-Brussels sentiment — even in Britain

Across the EU as a whole, 62 per cent of those polled would vote to stay in the EU compared with 57 per cent in March, according to Bertelsmann’s polling which covered nearly 15,000 respondents.The poll was conducted in August 2016 a few weeks after the British referendum.

In Britain, support rose to 56 per cent after the Brexit vote, compared to 49 per cent before. Approval rates fell in Spain to 68 per cent, but rose in the other four big continental member states – Germany, France, Italy and Poland.

www.buzzfeed.com/aishagani/milo-yiannopoulos-visit-kent-school-cancelled-after?utm_term=.blyrjL7Dy#.twW7edNp9
Government Denies Stopping Milo Yiannopolos From Talking At His OldSchool

Updated: Department for Education sources have confirmed the school spoke with officials from the department, but said the decision to cancel the event was taken by the school itself.

Imagine being a parent and finding out he was supposed to be speaking. I bet the telephone went into melt down.

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/nick-clegg-are-liberals-to-blame-that-hoax-news-is-swinging-elections-a3400886.html
Nick Clegg: Are liberals to blame that hoax news is swinging elections?
Populists know how to appeal to voters’ emotions — the politics of moderation needs to pack a bigger punch

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak
Govt sources say May's 'cliff edge' comment was not an intentional hint at a transitional Brexit deal

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BestIsWest · 21/11/2016 19:11

Thanks for the new thread Red.

Peregrina · 21/11/2016 19:11

Govt sources say May's 'cliff edge' comment was not an intentional hint at a transitional Brexit deal

So it was an unintentional one, or she is another one who opens her mouth and puts her foot in it?

merrymouse · 21/11/2016 19:11

Imagine being a parent and finding out he was supposed to be speaking. I bet the telephone went into melt down.

Although the pupils do sound quite articulate:

Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.
merrymouse · 21/11/2016 19:15

Having said that, looking at his performance on C4 news, there must be a constant danger that Milo will be punched when in civilised company.

I suspect the person requiring protection might have been Milo.

morningrunner · 21/11/2016 19:27

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amaravatti · 21/11/2016 19:29

great news morningrunner

amaravatti · 21/11/2016 19:35

Although the pupils do sound quite articulate: absolutely merrymouse

merrymouse · 21/11/2016 19:36

I suspect Hobbs don't pick up many sales from Breitbart readers!

iwanttoridemybicycle · 21/11/2016 19:37

Well done Morningrunner

SwedishEdith · 21/11/2016 19:45

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merrymouse · 21/11/2016 19:53

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/labour-shelves-plans-for-more-power-for-party-members

Well yes, now might be a good time to look at the bigger picture - although those reports about not supporting Hilary Benn suggest there is still a fair amount of room for improvement.

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 20:00

inews.co.uk/explainers/iq/hard-brexit-cliff-edge-vision-leaving-eu-without-deal-imagined/
The ‘hard Brexit’ cliff edge: blocked roads, empty shelves, a country waiting to be exploited
Ian Dunt on Hard Brexit.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/hard-brexit-disaster--working-people-labour-mps-letter?CMP=twt_gu
Hard Brexit would be disaster for working people, say Labour MPs

Dozens of MPs write letter in response to calls from Tories for withdrawal from single market and EU customs union

Leaving the single market in a hard Brexit would be a disaster for working people, make the weekly food shop more expensive and hit jobs, growth and business, according to 90 Labour MPs.

In a blistering attack on Brexit-supporting colleagues, they urged Theresa May to act against any situation in which the country would be forced to follow “World Trade Organisation rules”.

Their letter, sent to the Guardian, was a response to the calls from 60 Conservative MPs – including seven former cabinet ministers – who said the prime minister must withdraw the UK from the single market and customs union

We see your 60 and raise you 30!

Letter with full list of signatories here:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/hard-brexit-britain-poorer
Spot the two most obvious omissions.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corporation-tax-cut-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-donald-trump-brexit-a7430616.html
Theresa May's pledge to follow Donald Trump's corporate tax cut is 'reckless', Jeremy Corbyn says

Guy Verhofstadt has been trolling David Davis reminding him of a comment he made in September where he said “Get thee behind me, Satan!”. He is meeting Davis tomorrow.

Guy Verhofstadt ‏@GuyVerhofstadt
Looking forward to a hell of a conversation with David Davis tomorrow :)
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/get-thee-behind-me-satan-how-david-davis-mocked-a-major-eu-foe/

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TheBathroomSink · 21/11/2016 20:07

Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 2m2 minutes ago
It gets worse. @piersmorgan tells @agendaitv that he didn't call Donald Trump last week... Trump called him.

I actually don't have words.

Well done, morningrunner!

This, from the Telegraph's piece on MY is worrying:
Mr Yiannopoulos speaks frequently at universities and was given a hero's welcome at the University of California, Santa Barbara, in May. Seated on a throne, he was was carried to the stage by a group of men wearing caps bearing Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan.

MY of course is framing it as May being a fascist

SwedishEdith · 21/11/2016 20:13

"Mr Yiannopoulos speaks frequently at universities and was given a hero's welcome at the University of California, Santa Barbara, in May. Seated on a throne, he was was carried to the stage by a group of men wearing caps bearing Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan."

Hmm, California voted massively for Clinton - 3.5 million more votes.

www.nytimes.com/elections/results/california

TheBathroomSink · 21/11/2016 20:21

More legal A50 challenges: www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/scottish-claim-of-right-brexit-case-against-uk-government-artical-50-supreme-court

Echoing the Scottish government’s case to the court, O’Neill says that because leaving the EU involves each part of the UK, the court must take account of Scotland’ constitutional law and in particular the Claim of Right Act 1689, signed the year after England’s weaker Bill of Rights was drafted. It codified the “radical revolutionary tradition” in Scotland that a monarch was always answerable to the law and the people, in this case its parliaments, he says.

also

In a further development on Monday, it emerged that Northern Ireland’s attorney general, John Larkin QC, is now expected now to take part in the hearing, increasing the chances that the cross-border deal with the Republic of Ireland in the Good Friday agreement will also become part of the legal argument.

There's no way this is going to be resolved by March, is there?