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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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lalalonglegs · 23/11/2016 20:22

Oh God, it would be fantastic if the recount went Clinton's way but I don't even want to dare to hope.

SwedishEdith · 23/11/2016 20:28

"low rate flat rate tax without loopholes with relatively high threshold. Get rid of most of the costs of the taxation system by simplifying it massively"

That's Taxpayer's Alliance and UKIP territory. Simple solutions to complex problems.

RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 20:28

Oh God, it would be fantastic if the recount went Clinton's way but I don't even want to dare to hope.

Do we want to hope?

What are the implications of that? Do you think Trump supports would accept it? Do you think Trump would accept it?

It would be chaos. Utter chaos.

I don't know what is worse. Trump winning in the first place or Clinton winning a recount.

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TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 20:28

And be an Olympic athlete?

He just shot stuff, didn't he? And not very well, I don''t think, so I'm guessing that a) he doesn't spend much time practising and b) there's not a lot of competition for a place on the Belize team.

On a serious note, though, how can it possibly be a good idea for Farage to claim to be meeting Trump on behalf of the UK when he's got a Belizean diplomat in the room with him.

Is Banks resident there? How is he allowed to dump so much money into our political system if he is, and why is anyone giving him bloody airtime and publicity in that case?

lalalonglegs · 23/11/2016 20:30

I'd go for Trump winning in the first place being the worst option Grin

TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 20:31

Do you think Trump supports would accept it? Do you think Trump would accept it?

No and no. Trump's got his feet firmly under the table and he's seeing the money roll in, he isn't going to want to give that up, and even if he did, his daughter's had a taste of the power and I bet she'll hold on to it as long as she can.

SwedishEdith · 23/11/2016 20:31

Yes, just shot stuff - and not very well.

"Sources said that the businessman, who is worth up to £100 million, was due to be joined in the Belize opening team by Andrew Wigmore — the Belizean former head of communications for Leave.EU — who is representing Belize in shooting at the Olympics . Wigmore is ranked 274 out of 274 in the world."

BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2016 20:36

If the recount went Clinton's way ?
Civil War.
But a short one, because one side has most of the guns

RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 20:43

The lovable Ms Mensch on the Stein recount

Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch
Jill Stein wants chaos because she is an agent of influence of Vladimir Putin. Always remember her goal; to serve Putin, and only that. Nothing makes me want a recount LESS than Putin's agent and puppet Stein asking for one

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lalalonglegs · 23/11/2016 20:44

Are you saying that Trump should become president despite not winning either the popular vote or (if the recount goes his way) the EC vote because his supporters are nastier than Clinton's?

lalalonglegs · 23/11/2016 20:45

doesn't go his way

RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 20:47

I'm saying, America ending up in civil war is not a good thing.

Its a possibility in either scenario. Its like reversing Brexit on steroids but with lots of people with guns.

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lalalonglegs · 23/11/2016 20:51

So if we get President Trump we get the possibility of a war between countries and if we get President Clinton we get the possibility of a civil war. It's not much of a choice, I agree, but I'd still rather risk Clinton and give the presidency to the actual winner (assuming recount shows that should be the case).

Third option is that they do as they have done in Austria and call another election.

RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 20:54

Nope, I'm saying the US has a chance of civil war with Trump or Clinton.

Another election would not solve the problem.

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merrymouse · 23/11/2016 20:55

I'm as concerned to know whether the vote has been tampered with as whether Clinton should have won.

merrymouse · 23/11/2016 20:58

Maybe you could have some kind of partition? The East and north West coasts join with Canada? (Obviously no examples at all anywhere of that kind of thing going spectacularly wrong!)

merrymouse · 23/11/2016 20:59

I mean west and north east coasts

lalalonglegs · 23/11/2016 20:59

It's an interesting question, merry. I know that the US doesn't generally allow international election observers in to monitor its elections because it is felt that they aren't needed Hmm.

If a civil war is likely with Trump or Clinton, again, I'd sooner have Clinton.

SwedishEdith · 23/11/2016 21:01

"Third option is that they do as they have done in Austria and call another election."

Seems best option if keep to no campaigning - just a new vote. Doesn't necessarily deal with their issues around vote-rigging in the first place though.

When is Austria's election? Am not looking forward to that.

RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 21:05

David Clegg ‏@davieclegg
So rather than £350m a week for the NHS, Brexit is set to cost us £226m a week in extra borrowing.

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RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 21:06

4 Dec the same day as the Italian referendum and the day before the a50 case hits the supreme court.

Monday 5th Dec has the potential to be really 'fun'

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TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 21:07

There is a good article here about how it might be possible to do it from a technical point of view.

It boils down to someone has to download the voting form onto an SD card and then load it into each voting machine one at a time. The voting machines are considered secure because they are not online, but if you can introduce malware onto the desktop used to load the form onto the SD card, then it can activate itself on the voting machine at a predetermined date and time. This is not hard to do at all as many local government systems are outdated and not particularly secure.

The malware can also remain hidden until that time to pass the pre-election checks, and then delete itself once voting closes - the remaining hidden thing is basically what VW did with their emissions rigging software.

Some of the voting machines print out a paper version of the vote cast as a fail-safe but lots of people don't check them. Some of them have no paper trail at all, which is incredibly risky.

RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 21:16

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38076579
Breitbart news site blocked by ad exchange

A leading ad exchange has blacklisted Breitbart News, which until recently was run by one of US President-elect Donald Trump's closest advisers.

AppNexus said it would no longer allow Breitbart to sell ad space via its platform, after determining that the site had broken its code on hate speech and incitement to violence.

Breitbart responded saying it "has always and continues to condemn racism and bigotry in any form".

AppNexus has not given examples.

But a spokesman said a "human audit" of Breitbart had flagged several articles that had caused it concern because of the language they had featured.

"We use a number of third-party standards to determine what is and isn't hate speech, and if we detect a pattern of speech that could incite violence or discrimination against a minority group, we determine that to be non-compliant and we simply won't serve ads against it," AppNexus's spokesman Joshua Zeitz told the BBC.

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Peregrina · 23/11/2016 21:17

and gets told by TM "austerity is living within your means"

I seriously wonder how Theresa May can call herself a Christian. Statements like that are not my understanding of it.

HesterThrale · 23/11/2016 21:28

Would it even be possible to do this?

'... We will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave.'

(Voteleavetakecontrol)
quotebrexit.wordpress.com/2016/11/22/leave-campaign-promises-to-negotiate-terms-of-a-new-deal-before-leaving-eu/

I thought we were over a barrel, committing ourselves with A50 before we can discuss terms. Does this quote demonstrate ignorance or mendacity?