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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 16:54

Banks is spunking a bundle of cash on a tacky party to 'thank Farage' for all he's achieved this year - the guest list sounds horrific (even leaving out that Farage will be there): Banks, Littlejohn, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Isabel Oakeshott. They've invited David Davis and 'have asked Trump to record a video message'.

“The Ferrero Rochers are very important,” said Wigmore. “We have done them in pyramids and the going-away gift is a box of Ferrero Rocher. If we are going to take the piss out of him – Ambassador Farage – we may as well do it properly.” - Wigmore.

On the subject of Wigmore, how does a Belizean 'diplomat' have so much spare time to spend dicking about with our politics?

InformalRoman · 23/11/2016 16:58

And don't forget Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPs has been invited too.

Wouldn't like to be picking up the bar bill for that one.

lalalonglegs · 23/11/2016 16:59

Sadly Banks is not spending that much of his own money: the venue is being given by the Barclay Bros; the "champagne" is from a Brexit-supporting English vineyard etc. No doubt Wigmore has done a deal on the wretched chocolates Hmm

InformalRoman · 23/11/2016 17:03

Wonder if Farage has a nut allergy? (I can live in hope).

whatwouldrondo · 23/11/2016 17:07

The Shambassador's Reception the Guardian are calling it

TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 17:10

I don't know, lala - the Barclays may have given over the Ritz as a venue but if Banks/Wigmore/Tice are footing the bar bill, like informal says, given the guest list, it ain't going to be cheap!!

Although they've bought the champagne, as you say, from Lord Ashcroft, so the Tories are still making money on it!!

merrymouse · 23/11/2016 17:46

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/23/eu-brexit-labour-leadership-article-50

Out in the country, this is the reality: loud voices wanting hard and fast Brexit but also plenty of people unsure about what exactly it will mean, and often convinced that leaving the EU will have dire consequences for lives that are already insecure and uncertain. In any decently functioning democracy, the latter group would surely see its views reflected in mainstream politics. The government might couch its approach to Brexit in terms of pragmatism; the opposition would give strong voice to people’s anxieties. But no. Given the pernicious idea that the vote to leave was “overwhelming”, Brexit means Brexit. And that, apparently, is that.

prettybird · 23/11/2016 17:51

The Tories really are heartless and live in a different world Sad or at least TM is: at PMQs, Kirsty Blackman asks about the impact of austerity of homelessness and gets told by TM "austerity is living within your means" HmmAngry

lalalonglegs · 23/11/2016 17:59

Different worlds indeed: I just heard on the R4 news that, while most salary-sacrifice benefits are being abolished, schemes allow you to pay private school fees through salary sacrifice are going to be extended until about 2031. As the presenter said, "Which is no doubt a relief for Just About Managing families..."

merrymouse · 23/11/2016 18:00

But as discussed upthread, being in government means that when people can't live within their means you still have to pay for the the fallout - education and health costs, crime, civil unrest (remember 2011?).

Not just heartless, stupid.

RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 18:08

Lord Ashcroft isn't far off a kipper. He was giving advice to the Trump campaign.

www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/sentencing-remarks-r-v-thomas-mair.pdf

These are the sentence remarks for Thomas Mair in full

to quote part of it:

In the true meaning of the word she was a patriot.

You affect to be a patriot. The words you uttered repeatedly when you killed her give lip service to that concept. Those sentiments can be legitimate and can have resonance but in your mouth, allied to your actions, they are tainted and made toxic

It is clear from your internet and other researches that your inspiration is not love of country or your fellow citizens, it is an admiration for Nazism, and similar anti democratic white supremacist creeds where democracy and political persuasion are supplanted by violence towards and intimidation of opponents and those who, in whatever ways, are thought to be different and, for that reason, open to persecution.

Our parents' generation made huge sacrifices to defeat those ideas and values in the Second World War. What you did, and your admiration for those views which informed your crime, betrays the sacrifices of that generation.

You are no patriot. By your actions you have betrayed the quintessence of our country, its adherence to parliamentary democracy.

That is quite pointed, given the current political climate.

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Peregrina · 23/11/2016 18:24

Our parents' generation made huge sacrifices to defeat those ideas and values in the Second World War. What you did, and your admiration for those views which informed your crime, betrays the sacrifices of that generation.

Good. My thoughts exactly. I wonder what the Daily Heil will report? Won't like Judges being so forthright, too political.

prettybird · 23/11/2016 19:14

Kudos to the judge too for refusing to let him make a statement after sentencing. It would have been pure grandstanding.

He had his chance to say something during the trial but chose to remain silent.

HesterThrale · 23/11/2016 19:43

So electronic voting - could it be hacked by other countries? Worrying.
And why would HC not call for a recount?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/hillary-clinton-election-vote-recount-michigan-pennsylvania-wisconsin?client=safari

RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 20:03

Greg Palast ‏@Greg_Palast
BREAKING: @DrJillStein & @GreenPartyUS to force re-count in MI, WI & PA. A tiny 50,000 vote shift will un-#Trump the Electoral College.

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SwedishEdith · 23/11/2016 20:04

That statement was really powerful - good. No doubt it'll wind some people up as well - good again. I loved Brendan Cox's as well.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2016 20:05

Aditya Chakraborttyy* on the budget:
"Austerity was originally meant to be over within a single parliament of five years. It will now last for up to 15 years. It will certainly carry on into a third parliament"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/23/autumn-statement-panel-make-a-difference-philip-hammond

I thought the Brexit vote happened because a big chunk of desperate voters rebelled against austerity the only way they could.
I wonder how they will react now if austerity indeed lasts 3 times as long as GO planned Confused
The accumulated pain of 3 austerity parliaments would smash them down on their knees.

SwedishEdith · 23/11/2016 20:06

"The Tories really are heartless and live in a different world sad or at least TM is: at PMQs, Kirsty Blackman asks about the impact of austerity of homelessness and gets told by TM "austerity is living within your means" "

They are heartless but also TM is just shit at PMQs and comebacks in general - she rarely says anything of any substance.

TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 20:08

HC doesn't want to call for a recount because so much was made of Trump claiming the election would be rigged and that he only 'might' accept the result.

I suspect there has probably been an agreement somewhere along the line that the DNC/HC campaign is footing the bill for Stein doing this, as I read earlier her campaign was saying they didn't have the money, apparently it can cost loads.

TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 20:15

oh, actually it looks like she's trying to crowdfund it, although if that is the case, she's requested the recount before she's hit the target. She's raised $41k of the $2.5m she needs.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2016 20:17

Forecast how Brexit increases UK borrowing:

Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.
SwedishEdith · 23/11/2016 20:17

Just looked on Twitter and they're asking for donations. Need $2m by Friday - they'll get it, I'm sure.

RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 20:19

Apparently Stein still has to raise the money for the recount by Friday, but as you say TBS somehow, one way or another, I don't think that will be a problem.

To be honest, I think it was needed to be done and the Greens actually have a past history of requesting recounts and trying to make American elections more democratic are part of what their platform is, so its somewhat uncontroversial in that respect.

If the recount proves to not be in Trump's favour though....

Geeeeezzzzz. That's going to get messy.

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SwedishEdith · 23/11/2016 20:20

"On the subject of Wigmore, how does a Belizean 'diplomat' have so much spare time to spend dicking about with our politics?"

And be an Olympic athlete? Banks, of course, is also a citizen of Belize.

TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 20:22

While it looked like Trump was expanding his cabinet a bit today when he appointed a couple of women, one of them appears to be cut from very much the same cloth as most of his preferred men.

Betsy DeVos is his pick for Education Secretary. Her father-in-law co-founded Amway, which is a massive MLM scam and her brother-in-law is an ex-Seal, ex-CIA and founder of Blackwater private military contractors.