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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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SwedishEdith · 23/11/2016 21:31

Coincidentally, on Twitter, someone's just tweeted,

"I've just written to my MP to seek clarification from the Foreign Sec regarding Andy Wigmore's political activities and diplomatic status."

Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.
TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 21:38

Huh, Swedish that is interesting. I'd ask my mp something similar except I'm still waiting for a reply to my email just after the referendum. He is pretty much the proof that you could get a donkey elected in this city so long as it was wearing a red rosette.

woman12345 · 23/11/2016 22:03

WrongTrouser
I'm really shocked at this post. I don't know who you are, LH, and I don't know what god-given super powers you have which enable you to determine who is ignorant and who is wicked, but I find what you are saying horrifying.

It LH smells like an anti semite too
on a day when this happened in US
usuncut.com/politics/twitter-erupts-cnn-airs-jews-people/
If it walks like one................

RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 22:05

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-protests-parliament-london-article-50-eu-referendun-a7434416.html
Pro-Brexit protest outside Parliament scaled down after thousands fail to turn up
Thousands pledged to protest against High Court ruling on Article 50 -but only 100 people turned up

Organisers of a supposedly major protest outside Parliament to express their anger at a High Court ruling on Brexit appear to have been disappointed after only a small number of people turned up.

A range of pro-Brexit groups had invited around 15,000 people to the event, with almost 2,000 confirming they were planning to attend.

However, it appearsfewer than 100 demonstrators showed up.

The protest was timed to coincide with Chancellor Philip Hammond’s Autumn Statement, with organisers claiming “the world’s media will be covering the event, giving the 52% [who voted for Brexit] maximum exposure to make their voices heard”.

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CeciledeVolanges · 23/11/2016 22:06

Hester yes. Maybe even both.

SwedishEdith · 23/11/2016 22:15

"Speaking at the protest outside Parliament, Conservative Jacob Rees-Mogg MP said: “As the great Boris Johnson might say, we came, we saw, we conquered. We have to make sure it is continued until the end and that we leave as soon as soon.

He thanked the demonstrators “for the terrific work you do representing the mass of the British people who want to take back control of our country”.

“It is a great time to be British. The future for our country is fantastic and will lead a golden economic age. As the Americans would say, God bless the United Kingdom”.

I'll just leave that here.

prettybird · 23/11/2016 22:17

Just listened to John Redwood claiming that the OBR forecast for growth is too low and the forecaset for the borrowing requirement is too high and that "we will get good access to the Single Market once we are out of the EU". Confused

I see that he's a believer in unicorns and everlasting cake and an incredibly talented international trade negotiator. Hmm

SwedishEdith · 23/11/2016 22:24

I've had two replies from my MP now - latest is that she was "disappointed by the High Court Judgement".

merrymouse · 23/11/2016 22:25

“for the terrific work you do representing the mass of the British people who want to take back control of our country”.

Just as long as 'taking back control' means waking up to realise that you are being controlled by an unpredictable con man on the other side of the Atlantic, and actually the EU are still 27 against 1.

(Unless the EU falls apart because Marine Le Pen gets elected, which absolutely wouldn't be worrying at all!!!)

TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 22:31

I just saw Redwood saying that on the news and it reminded me why everyone thought he was a scaly reptilian alien back when he was relevant. I think it's also clear that JRM only has a loose connection to reality.

RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 22:33

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/nigel-farage-predicts-seismic-shock-at-next-general-election-35240617.html

Mr Farage said he suspected that the Conservative Government may turn out to be "not fit for the legacy of Brexit".

And he said he expected a "realignment" of politics which could involve old parties disappearing and being replaced with new ones reflecting the new public mood.

He said he would be sticking around to take part in the battles to come.

Following US President-elect Donald Trump's suggestion that he should be ambassador to Washington, Mr Farage was presented with a tray of Ferrero Rocher chocolates of the kind handed round at the ambassador's reception in the famous TV ad.

His speech was heralded by Leave.EU spokesman Andy Wigmore - who joined him at Trump Tower - with a call for attention from "Ladies, Gents, Lords and ... diplomats".

Mr Farage told the gathering: "We've got a problem. In America the revolution is total. Not only have the people spoken and won, but the old administration, Obama and all those ghastly people, are out and the Trump people are in.

"In this country, the people have spoken, but the same players have just been shuffled around the chess board and we are still being run by the career professional political class

"I am not sure what is going to happen over the course of the next couple of years but I suspect there's another big seismic shock in British politics perhaps going to come at the next election.

"I suspect that the Conservative party is not fit for the legacy of Brexit. I suspect there is going to be a genuine realignment of British politics over the course of the next three or four years.

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prettybird · 23/11/2016 22:34

I had to rewind just to check he actually said that. They Some of them are delusional! Shock

RedToothBrush · 23/11/2016 22:34

Also present were Conservative MPs Jacob Rees-Mogg and Peter Bone, Labour donor John Mills and Ukip leadership candidate Paul Nuttall.

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SwedishEdith · 23/11/2016 22:41

He's probably right about " a "realignment" of politics which could involve old parties disappearing and being replaced with new ones reflecting the new public mood." The rest? He has no idea - older people dying, younger people reaching voting age - that's brutal reality.

jaws5 · 23/11/2016 22:41

Did I jus hear Rees-Mogg right on Newsnight? "Experts, toothsayers, astrologers, are all in the same category", when asked about predictions on the economy???

TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 22:42

career professional political class

I know he rarely bothers to turn up, but surely being an MEP is kind of being a professional politician, even if you are shit at it? Not to mention the fact that he's tried 7 times to get elected in this country.

How is anyone still listening to his bullshit?

TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 22:43

I don't think JRM believes anything unless he's told it by his nanny or his butler.

Kaija · 23/11/2016 22:45

I'm afraid you did, jaws. Post-truth indeed.

merrymouse · 23/11/2016 22:45

In America the revolution is total.

Except for the pesky issue of the popular vote...

jaws5 · 23/11/2016 22:45

bathroom Grin and sent to the naughty step, or whatever posh punishment we likes Grin

jaws5 · 23/11/2016 22:48

Sorry, could anyone enlighten me here (as I'm a foreigner)? I'm confused, is JRM quite thick, or is it my perception?

Peregrina · 23/11/2016 22:49

Farage may well be right about the realignment of parties, but whether his will be the beneficiary, is, I hope, debatable. They haven't been doing all that well in by elections, and realistically, Farage is virtually the only person they have. Carswell would probably go back to the Tories if they would have him, especially now they have shifted to the extreme right, and the rest of them are too busy fighting each other.

Peregrina · 23/11/2016 22:51

Only what, 100 or so turned up to the demo? The weather wasn't all that bad was it? I thought they were made of sterner stuff. I did like the purple bus - a magnificent stunt by the dating agency concerned.

Kaija · 23/11/2016 22:59

It's hard to tell, jaws - depends of course on whether he believes anything he's saying.

TheBathroomSink · 23/11/2016 23:06

Not looking optimistic for farage's big anti-judge march on that turn out, is it Grin

I do think JRM is probably quite dim and just covers it up with the frightfully posh voice and edwardian mannerisms.