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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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merrymouse · 22/11/2016 15:16

New York Times meeting back on again.

Assume more tweets to follow.

Peregrina · 22/11/2016 15:18

I am sure that TM is tired, and has a major health condition to contend with too. On a personal level, I don't wish her any harm, but someone in that position should surely have stopped to think whether their health was up to undertaking the job? I think Heseltine realised the game of aiming for PM was up after he had his heart attack, even though it had been a long cherished ambition.

Boris, I think, wouldn't want the job yet.

TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 15:28

Johnson won't want the job while there are hard decisions to be made. Which leaves Gove or Leadsom. Unless Osborne thinks people have had enough time to forget.

Kill me now.

Unicornsarelovely · 22/11/2016 15:31

I think Osborne or someone similar might have a vestige if a chance in 28months time, I'm just so disappointed that TM is so hopeless and is still probably the best of s bad bunch.

Peregrina · 22/11/2016 15:34

Too soon for an Osborne comeback, but I don't doubt that he's keeping his powder dry for when the time comes. As a prominent Remainer he will be able to say 'Brexit going belly up? Nothing to do with me Gov.'

squishysquirmy · 22/11/2016 15:43

Informal: Yeah the way he goes about getting his own way has always been extremely concerning, and while his attitude to Golf courses and wind farms is not my biggest Trump fear (Oh, how I wish it was), it's pretty revealing how quickly he has dropped any pretence that his business and political interests would be kept separate.

Like Mistigri said earlier, I think it's time to start calling the "Alt-Right" out for what they are. For ages it's been a bit of a thing to throw the word "nazi" or "fascist" around, so much so that its become such a cliche that when a bunch of real ones actually start to amass power we use all sorts of euphemisms. But if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc....

Mistigri · 22/11/2016 15:56

Have you seen what Manfred Weber just said about Bozo and David D? Sorry, no time to link (year, protocol .. I know) but it's worth a quick google. If it wasn't so serious it would be fantastic comedy.

SapphireStrange · 22/11/2016 15:57

The Tory party eventually stabbed Mrs Thatcher in the back, because she appeared to be going mad. When will they do the same for May, who is already showing signs of instability if not outright insanity?

I'm longing for them to get the long knives out.

My money's on Osborne.

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2016 16:09

Like Mistigri said earlier, I think it's time to start calling the "Alt-Right" out for what they are. For ages it's been a bit of a thing to throw the word "nazi" or "fascist" around, so much so that its become such a cliche that when a bunch of real ones actually start to amass power we use all sorts of euphemisms. But if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc....

I have already decided to use the proper and appropriate language rather than the 'normalised' and sanitised versions.

Since they are openly doing Nazi Salutes I really don't think its an unfair thing to say. And yeah all this shit about it all just being a joke or 'trolling the media' is to try and keep it off the radar just that little bit longer until they are in power and have done some of that normalisation.

I'm not going to play that game. Its not a hysterical reaction.

Anyway, Manfred Weber has been saying that the UK now are saying they want to stay in the Single Market, whilst Davis's team are saying that this has been lost in translation and they actually said that they wanted the closest possible trading relationship.

I think I know who I believe. Its not our lot.

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RedToothBrush · 22/11/2016 16:15

GOOD NEWS!

The Government have published a FAQ on Brexit. Its here:
www.gov.uk/government/news/frequently-asked-questions

David Allen Green points out that it uses the word 'clear' no less than SEVEN times and the content advice for writing for gov.uk is 'do not use FAQ'
www.gov.uk/guidance/content-design/writing-for-gov-uk#dont-use-faqs

Now you know everything and should feel completely reassured and confident.

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squishysquirmy · 22/11/2016 16:22

Some clear answers there:
"What model will be pursued in the negotiation?"
"A really good one!"

Peregrina · 22/11/2016 16:46

I was a bit unkind - the bottom of the FAQ page asked if there was anything wrong with the page, and what could be done about it. I said it was a load of hogwash and could they put up the correct page, adding a please, just to be polite.

Peregrina · 22/11/2016 16:49

Also, when I did a course on law we were taught never to say surely or clearly, or obviously, because it nearly always wasn't. Such language does keep the lawyers busy, so perhaps the lecturer wasn't doing his students any favours Grin.

LurkingHusband · 22/11/2016 17:03

Also, when I did a course on law we were taught never to say surely or clearly, or obviously, because it nearly always wasn't

That rings a bell from English Language O-level c. 1980 as words to be eschewed ....

Unicornsarelovely · 22/11/2016 17:06

'Clearly' or 'obviously' is almost always (note the almost!) someone playing a weak hand or pushing a weak argument absolutely as far as it can go. This is not reassuring for the Brexit negotiations although I really really how Weber is right about the single market.

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2016 17:36

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/22/white-nationalists-alt-right-nazi-language-trump?CMP=twt_gu
White nationalists? Alt-right? If you see a Nazi, say Nazi

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DoinItFine · 22/11/2016 17:38

Conveniently this narrative fails to mention costs incurred to the NHS by British 'health tourists' that is British citizens having surgery abroad to avoid long waiting times or save money. After care and blotched jobs for example complications fowling surgery abroad have to be picked up by the NHS.

Oh yes. A good point.

Thanks, pocketing that one :)

Trump's ratings are up?

Is that part of the whole "winning side" thing?

I have never before felt as much of an out of place weirdo as I have since June.

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2016 17:41

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-tory-minister-privatise-foreign-aid-budget-claims-labour-a7432456.html
Cabinet minister Priti Patel faces accusations she is 'planning to privatise UK's foreign aid budget'
The amount the Department for International Development can funnel through its private equity arm will be increased from £1.5 billion to £6 billion - and possibly £12 billion

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HyacinthFuckit · 22/11/2016 17:42

What serious health condition does May have?

JWIM · 22/11/2016 17:46

Diabetes, I recall.

lalalonglegs · 22/11/2016 17:47

Hyacinth - Type I diabetes

Priti Patel - words fail me.

HummusForBreakfast · 22/11/2016 17:53

And what of Theresa May’s role in creating this narrative of “health tourism” it's a despicable narrative feeding public envy and spreading misinformation. Conveniently this narrative fails to mention costs incurred to the NHS by British 'health tourists' that is British citizens having surgery abroad to avoid long waiting times or save money. After care and blotched jobs for example complications fowling surgery abroad have to be picked up by the NHS.

Tbf, you could also add up the NHS picking up the pieces for any private work done in the UK too. Too many times, people go private to have what should be straight forward procedures just to then be send back to normal NHS because things havent gone as they should (because work hasn't been done as well as it should have been)

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2016 17:55

www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-popular-poll-231694
Poll: Trump's popularity soars after election

It’s a dramatic uptick since the election. Trump’s favorability has grown 9 points, 37 percent to 46 percent, compared to a Morning Consult poll right before the election -- while his unfavorability has dropped 15 points, from 61 percent to 46 percent.

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InformalRoman · 22/11/2016 17:57

Peregrina you inspired me to add my comments to that page:

Q: What were you looking for?
A: I was looking for The Plan.
Q: What went wrong?
A: There isn't one, is there?

HyacinthFuckit · 22/11/2016 17:58

Ah, didn't know that. Well I suppose it's a positive that a serious health condition doesn't have to be a bar to high office. One hopes when she does go, it's related to her being appalling not being ill. More satisfying.

Yy to GO keeping powder dry. There's mileage to this one if he does it right. He's still pretty young...

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