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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 12:59

Yes, I don't see a Con/Ukip coalition lasting any length of time at all, Ukip lack serious candidates, and even if they did manage to get a number of them elected, the idea that they would knuckle down and do the serious work of governing is laughable. At the rate their councillors fall out, quit the party or just get arrested, it'd be a miracle if it lasted a month.

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2016 13:09

I don't think boundary changes will make it through the commons. Which does change things if it does. Tory Majority more likely then, but I think it will get opposed. Not least because Osbourne's seat is one set to go and I can't see him lying down and taking that.

What happens in a situation where the Cons get in with UKIP and like I think it would, it collapses after a short period of time, is anybody's guess. Who is waiting in the wings?

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TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 13:19

Who is waiting in the wings?

Tony Blair, apparently Shock

Peregrina · 22/11/2016 13:20

Who is waiting in the wings?

That will maybe when we get our National Coalition? It will be the end of May and those closely associated with her, Corbyn too. Possibly Starmer will be more to the fore, Clegg for his EU experience (assuming he retains his seat, or even wants to stand again), Lisa Nandy.... but then I am struggling a bit, Rory Stewart? I think there are some potentially good people of all parties waiting in the wings, who will rise to the occasion. I would hope that it finally saw the end of UKIP.

merrymouse · 22/11/2016 13:27

There’s also the internal danger that the media will normalize his time in office under the cloak of traditional reverence for the presidency.

Except Donald makes that so difficult.

Obama goes on a charm offensive on Trump's behalf

Trump appoints Bannon.

Boris valiantly tries to suggest that the EU are just bad sports.

Trump responds a few days later with his tweet about Farage.

merrymouse · 22/11/2016 13:31

Re: waiting in the wings, wasn't there a suggestion at the time of the Labour leadership election that potential shining stars were holding back because they didn't want to face Corbyn? Has the political landscape shifted enough to force them forward?

HesterThrale · 22/11/2016 13:33

The idea of NF being a diplomat, possessing any degree of diplomacy or being diplomatic about anything made me laugh long and hard. Remember how diplomatic he was at the EU Parliament after the referendum?
'... Virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives...'

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-brexit-speech-european-parliament-full-transcript-text-a7107036.html%3Famp?client=safari

TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 13:34

Tim Farron does have a good turn of phrase at times:

Farage as ambassador is a frankly stupid idea. I have more diplomacy in my little finger. But what's more worrying is the axing of TPP
— Tim Farron (@timfarron) November 22, 2016

Chris Bryant also turning NF's favourite phrase back on him:

Sorry. We are a sovereign nation and make our own decisions. t.co/dbuXM4Hm7E
— Chris Bryant MP (@RhonddaBryant) November 22, 2016

(unrelated - I thought Chris Bryant came over really well on QT last week, thoughtful and not shouty)

The DT has a profile of the man behind the whole 'alt-right' idea, Richard Spencer:

Mr Spencer is banned from the UK and 26 other European countries, after he was deported from Hungary for organising a conference for white nationalists.

"I am part of a movement that is bigger than Trump. Trump was a first step towards an awakening of identity politics, towards an awakening of a new European spirit in the world."

merrymouse · 22/11/2016 13:38

Emily Thornberry:

Would Theresa May "have the moral backbone to tell [Trump] he is wrong on climate change"

Boris "I really must say to the right honourable lady that I believe she is being premature in her hostile judgements of the administration-elect. And any such premature verdict, I believe, could be damaging to the interests of this country. It is important to us in this country to use our influence, which is very considerable, to help the United States to see its responsibilities, as I'm sure they will".

Honestly, is anybody really feeling in more control now?

Motheroffourdragons · 22/11/2016 13:38

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InformalRoman · 22/11/2016 13:40

squishysquirmy I think we're both in the same neck of the woods. I know people that were involved with the design of the offshore windfarm that Trump is objecting to, as well as people that worked for statutory consultees, who have tales to tell of various levels of interference and harassment.

How he got planning permission for a development on an SSSI (I have worked on surveys on the same stretch of coast and I know that it is particularly special in terms of vegetation) and for a development that included a vast tract of housing that went directly against the structure plan is a mystery to me. Except that it isn't, because whilst the local council threw it out it was the Scottish Government that allowed it to happen.

TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 13:41

merry - there's an article in the DT about behind-the-scenes infighting in Labour but it's behind their new paywall so I can't read it, only the headline. I suspect it will all kick off again if moves are made to deselect Hillary Benn.

Also, the Guardian piece about the press seems to have come before Trump yanked the networks in and yelled at them. There's supposed to be a similar meeting with the press soon, and if that goes the same way (does anyone think it won't?) I suspect they will worry less about being respectful, although Trump will probably frame it as any bad press/TV coverage he gets in future is sour grapes on their parts for him 'telling it like it is'.

A Tory MP has asked BJohnson if he could demand that Trump appoint Hillary Clinton as US ambassador to us.

Peregrina · 22/11/2016 13:47

Could we have Obama as Ambassador, or is that not possible?

merrymouse · 22/11/2016 14:17

www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

In a series of insulting tweets, Trump has cancelled his meeting with the New York Times.

Trump is playing to his supporters... but most Americans voted for Hillary, so I'm not really sure where this leaves him.

Unicornsarelovely · 22/11/2016 14:35

Trump is planning to live in new York much of the time, isn't he? I can see falling out with the NYT in s city that voted for your rival is an eminently trumping thing to do.

ImpYCelyn · 22/11/2016 14:39

I know that's what he's planning, but how on earth can he govern from New York? He can't move the entire West Wing there. It seems absolutely insane!! (I appreciate that there should be nothing surprising about that, but seriously?!)

InformalRoman · 22/11/2016 14:41

Michel Barnier (European Commission chief Brexit negotiator) tweeted:

This morning courtesy visit from @daviddavismp at his request. No negotiation without notification. My work is now focused on EU27. #Brexit.

Followed by a retweet of him "enjoying a glass of prosecco".

Points being made perhaps?

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2016 14:48

This is how well 'immigration control' is working out for some British Citizens renting accommodation:

Alan Travis ‏@alantravis40
British citizens without passports (13%) already being turned away by landlords. No NHS treatment next?

Article from Aug last year
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/03/british-citizens-without-passports-being-turned-away-by-landlords?CMP=share_btn_tw
British citizens without passports being turned away by landlords
Evidence emerges that scheme requiring private landlords not to rent to illegal immigrants may be affecting British citizens

So the government ALREADY know how it is affecting people who don't have many forms of ID:

The immigration minister, James Brokenshire, told landlords on 7 July that the six-month pilot scheme which started in the West Midlands in December had raised concerns about some British citizens with limited documentation who appeared to find it harder to get access to rented accommodation.

A “snap meeting” was held by the Home Office with landlords last week to discuss the problem of British citizens being denied access to rented accommodation and to consider the list of ID documents that were acceptable for checking potential tenants’ immigration status.

More than 25% of calls to the official landlord checking service in the West Midlands pilot were about the list of acceptable ID documents. There are concerns that some documents are unfamiliar to landlords, are hard to verify and may be easy to forge.

Refugee welfare groups monitoring the “right to rent” scheme in the West Midlands said they had found examples of some British nationals being stopped from moving into a private rented home because they could not afford the £72.50 fee for a passport or did not have a birth certificate.

Note HOME OFFICE.

opendemocracy.net/ournhs/kailash-chand/nhs-passport-proposals-are-just-more-grubby-politics-from-may-and-hunt
NHS passport proposals are just more grubby politics from May and Hunt

But as Jonathan Portes of the Institute of Economic Research says, the extent of deliberate health tourism has been “hugely overstated” and is in fact a “very small part of NHS expenditure”. Estimates of the supposed costs of so-called ’health tourism’ vary from under £35m to more than £500m. These sums might sound substantial, but even the higher figure accounts for less than 0.5% of the overall NHS budget.

This is a politically motivated move rather than a response to patient needs and human rights. The government – yet again – is running scared of the tabloid press's ability to set the agenda in social policy.

and

And what of Theresa May’s role in creating this narrative of “health tourism”? As Nick Cohen points out in the Guardian, the “manufactured psuedo-scandal” of “health tourism” was given wings in 2013 by dishonest comments the then Home Secretary made about the “feeling” that such a problem existed. The grubby episode showed “how willing she is to live with lies” in her pursuit of power, Cohen adds.

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RedToothBrush · 22/11/2016 14:51

Trumps approval rating have GONE UP 9% since he was elected.

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TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 14:53

I know that's what he's planning, but how on earth can he govern from New York?

Well, while he's there, he can charge the Secret Service for the rooms they need in his hotel (in order to protect him and his family)...

TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 14:54

Trumps approval rating have GONE UP 9% since he was elected.

Ok, well clearly now is the time to start drinking the stockpiled vodka.

Uppsala · 22/11/2016 15:00

And what of Theresa May’s role in creating this narrative of “health tourism” it's a despicable narrative feeding public envy and spreading misinformation. Conveniently this narrative fails to mention costs incurred to the NHS by British 'health tourists' that is British citizens having surgery abroad to avoid long waiting times or save money. After care and blotched jobs for example complications fowling surgery abroad have to be picked up by the NHS.

InformalRoman · 22/11/2016 15:03

Trump's Tweeting about Great meetings will take place today at Trump Tower concerning the formation of the people who will run our government for the next 8 years.

8 years Confused

Peregrina · 22/11/2016 15:10

The Tory party eventually stabbed Mrs Thatcher in the back, because she appeared to be going mad. When will they do the same for May, who is already showing signs of instability if not outright insanity?

Unicornsarelovely · 22/11/2016 15:13

I was thinking Teresa May looked awfully tired Peregrina. That was what did for MT, wasn't it? The problem is - who replaces her? Boris? We're not at a point yet where it would be someone sensible...