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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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lalalonglegs · 22/11/2016 18:11

I know five months ago does feel like a very long time but can we please not forget entirely what an appalling excuse of an austerity-tastic politician George Osborne was. I know he's said a few EU-friendly things since he's been cast to the backbenches but he is more responsible than anyone - even Cameron - for some truly dreadful suffering by the poorest and most vulnerable people in this country and there is absolutely no reason to believe he won't go giddy for his ideology-driven cut-to-the-marrow public spending all over again if he ever gets a whiff of power again. (Add into that, his cuts probably had some small part in causing the disenfranchisement that allowed Leave to win and that he would quite happily sell this country to the Chinese, I don't want him anywhere near Downing St and preferably not even Parliament, ever again.)

Motheroffourdragons · 22/11/2016 18:22

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TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 18:40

The NYTimes is live-tweeting their meeting with Trump (which was rescheduled after it turns out Reince Priebus lied about them having changed the t&cs in an effort to stop Trump going) here

Objectively, you can say that Trump and truth are not on speaking terms.

TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 18:42

Maggie Haberman ‏@maggieNYT 6m6 minutes ago
Trump: "Breitbart is just a publication."

Maggie Haberman ‏@maggieNYT 7m7 minutes ago
On Bannon:"If I thought he was a racist or alt-right or any of the things, the terms we could use, I wouldn't even think about hiring him."

Maggie Haberman ‏@maggieNYT 11m11 minutes ago
"In theory I could run my business perfectly and then run the country perfectly. There's never been a case like this,"he says of his tangles

Maggie Haberman ‏@maggieNYT 16m16 minutes ago
Trump on his businesses/conflict q's: "The law's totally on my side, the president can't have a conflict of interest."

lalalonglegs · 22/11/2016 18:43

I was speaking to someone from the south of France today who says France has the same problem as the UK and USA, and there are lots of "shy" Le Pens out there. She's convinced she'll win Sad.

LurkingHusband · 22/11/2016 18:45

Didn't Nixons popularity increase post 1972 ?

Well, right up until no one would admit voting for him in 1975 ...

HyacinthFuckit · 22/11/2016 18:51

Not a fan of GO either. However, none of the stuff he did whilst in office necessarily prevents him from being a saner option at some point than the current shower of arseholes. I've said before, I'd consider voting for anyone who might best forge a path through this mess.

Peregrina · 22/11/2016 19:00

NIxon's popularity? Same as Maggie Thatcher, in 1982 she was Wonderful. By 1990 you couldn't find a soul who had voted for her.

merrymouse · 22/11/2016 19:01

Trump on his businesses/conflict q's: "The law's totally on my side, the president can't have a conflict of interest."

I think that would be the Trump version of the law where you push it as far as it will go, then further, then counter sue, then settle, then move on to the next mug.

TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 19:03

Elisabeth Bumiller ‏@BumillerNYT 3m3 minutes ago
Trump: Jared Kushner could help make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

No, seriously, he said that.

TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 19:04

merry - I think it's maybe like the version of the law where he believes he's actually been made emperor and can do whatever the fuck he wants because who's going to stop him and when it all goes tits up he's made another billion so why does he care anyway?

Peregrina · 22/11/2016 19:05

Trump: Jared Kushner could help make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

If anyone could, it would be a most welcome miracle, but somehow, I don't think Kushner is the man.

TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 19:11

Maybe the secret plan for peace in the middle east is that Kushner is going to buy it all, and build a signature Trump hotel and golf course that's just soooo tacky they all willingly agree to let him and his family have the entire area as long as they promise not to build another one anywhere else?

Potential upside of all this - there's no chance that HBO aren't currently throwing buckets of money at Aaron Sorkin right now, is there?

merrymouse · 22/11/2016 19:14

On Bannon:"If I thought he was a racist or alt-right or any of the things, the terms we could use, I wouldn't even think about hiring him."

Rather misses the point that whether or not Bannon is racist or mysogynist, he is monetising racism and mysogeny and providing a nice cosy home for racists and mysogenists.

Justine et al might as well say 'mothers? Oh no, nothing to do with me'.

merrymouse · 22/11/2016 19:15

Absolutely agree about HBO. Remember when they had to make this stuff up?

TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 19:19

Also today, Trump has managed to piss off Breitbart and Ann Coulter by not going after Clinton

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2016 19:23

www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democrats-electoral-college-faithless-trump-231731
Democratic presidential electors revolt against Trump
The Electoral College could see a historic number of 'faithless electors.'

But the Democratic electors are convinced that even in defeat, their efforts would erode confidence in the Electoral College and fuel efforts to eliminate it, ending the body’s 228-year run as the only official constitutional process for electing the president. With that goal in mind, the group is also contemplating encouraging Democratic electors to oppose Hillary Clinton and partner with Republicans in support of a consensus pick like Mitt Romney or John Kasich.

and

Democratic elector Polly Baca (no relation to Micheal) said the Electoral College should be returned to its original conception — as laid out by Alexander Hamilton in the Federalist Papers — as a deliberative body able to exercise free choice while using popular votes only as a guide.

The Presidential Election is only advisory!

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TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 19:28

The Presidential Election is only advisory!

I love that every time you think we've reached peak batshit crazy, it turns out you were wrong.

Gumpendorf · 22/11/2016 19:31

Osborne's political game playing of not investing in people/areas that would never vote Tory is one of the main reasons why large swathes of the North voted for Brexit. His Northern Powerhouse was regularly announced complete with hi vis jacket but nothing was actually done. Investment in the rail infrastructure was cut back. A friend who moved from the Midlands cannot believe the trains that trundle across the North. Slow, old and usually dangerously overcrowded.

It speaks volumes that he is now the acceptable face of the Tories. But no, no, no.

merrymouse · 22/11/2016 19:34

The referendum was a hopefully never to be repeated shambles.

However, I don't see how you can run an advisory election every 4 years.

Gumpendorf · 22/11/2016 19:35

And yes, yes, yes to Sorkin and HBO. I took refuge in The West Wing box set the other day.

Trump with the NYT! No wonder Reince Priebus tried to get it cancelled.

squishysquirmy · 22/11/2016 19:48

Osborne would be even worse than May. He seems ok now, because he's not got power and politicians always seem more human the further from power they are. It's not just that he doesn't seem to have much of a conscience, but he's never struck me as particularly intelligent either (although I think he's good at small p politics). Have you ever known someone at work who managed to get their way into a senior position despite being really quite crap because they play golf with senior management? That's what Gideon reminds me of.
Not that I'm happy with May at all, but if there's one thing this year has taught me its that not matter how bad things seem, there's always deeper depths to plumb.

squishysquirmy · 22/11/2016 19:50

I don't have HBO, but I quite like watching old HIGNFY repeats on Dave as sort of time-travelling escapism.

ImpYCelyn · 22/11/2016 20:31

Motheroffour I thought the simulations in France show that if it's FN vs Republicans in second round the Republicans should get it? The last one showed a pretty significant margin too. But it's true that they were expecting Juppé or Sarkozy, not Fillon.

I think there are secret FN voters, how many is sadly impossible to predict. We're meant to be moving back in July. I'm praying for a decent election result as I don't think we'll go with MLP in power, but we don't want to stay in the UK either... We both speak German though. Confused

4everclever · 22/11/2016 20:32

Good point about the NHS picking up the tab for complications from private surgery.

If anyone is interested in more information about the myth of health tourism and the NHS, there is some interesting research by academics from the London School.

interview with Dr Johanna Hahnefeld
www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/multimedia/podcasts/2013/johanna_hanefeld_medical_tourism_podcast.html

abstracts only full article behind paywall
researchonline.lshtm.ac.uk/1343290/

researchonline.lshtm.ac.uk/1229286/