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'The Brexit Arms' is now open. Friendly cosy pub with log fire for leavers & remainers to chat & ponder life, the universe, & Brexit.

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surferjet · 30/10/2016 16:43

You are all most welcome Wine

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jaws5 · 31/10/2016 22:51

trying the Guardian are only commenting on this study by the LSE cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf
You do know that UK has been part of the law making process in the EU, don't you? Also that any trade negotiations will involve respecting a set of rules (WTO, included) but UK won't have a say anymore?

IamWendy · 01/11/2016 06:54

Will we be able to overturn the eu ruling about women having to pay more for bad male drivers their car insurance?

surferjet · 01/11/2016 07:06

Yorkshire tea lol

I fink that was a feminist issue Wendy, you know, equality & all that, men started complaining about our lower car insurance & we didn't have a leg to stand on. But it sounds like something the EU would force on us so I'll blame them too.

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scaryteacher · 01/11/2016 08:40

Jaws The PM has said that deals will be negotiated whilst still in the EU...there is no reason why negotiations can't be carried out and groundwork laid whilst still in, we just don't sign til we are out.

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 09:50

no matter where some people are though they will always see Weatherspoons.

^This.

I know exactly what you mean.

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 09:51

Morning Surfer are you wiping down the bar with a smile on your face?

autumnintheair · 01/11/2016 10:13

Kaija with the greatest respect have you tied a double whisky and some jigging around I know its early but your turning into the pub bore

With regards to the Guardian they heavily slant nearly every article in the paper, its loaded and not a good way to get balanced news at all. If I read The guardian every day I would be a weeping mass on the floor.
If you read more papers and get info from lots of sources you will get a far more balanced view.
We all know FOM has affected the country, its staggering that someone is still clinging onto a study somewhere trying to prove different when we have lived and breathed it. Grin

I can just imagine the ships architect on the sinking Titanic calling out:

" But its built to withstand icebergs, !look here" is the study, here is the study, here is the study" as he slips further down the sinking deck into the cold dark deep waters.....without a trace and his study wont even help him to float. Sad

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 10:14

EU workers are reported to be 'going home' because the drop in the pound means their wages aren't worth as much.

Interesting - speaks to the problem of 'ad hoc' work where people don't immigrate, they use the UK as a money pig and spend it all on cheaper houses etc in their native country - disadvantaging UK workers who have to pay high houses prices and rents etc but see their wages depressed because of the flow of ad hoc workers. This will be one enormous benefit.

BoredofBrexit · 01/11/2016 10:25

Not to mention the pro rata reduction in child benefit sent abroad....

WidowWadman · 01/11/2016 12:24

Winchester Woman I can see why you want to interpret it that way, but also well integrated migrants who have built their life here are now looking at going back to their country of origin or exercising their right to free movement in other countries as they feel they're clearly not welcome here. Why would anyone want to stay in a place that is committing economical suicide because of a vote that was based on them not being welcome here. 6 months ago the thought of leaving wouldn't have ever crossed my mind. I felt this was home. Now not so much anymore. It's still home, but one that rejects me and people like me, and one with less opportunities than what it used to be.

autumnintheair · 01/11/2016 12:55

Passes a quadruple whisky down the bar to Widow.

Widow, I know YOU feel like this but I promise you many immigrants actually feel it was a long time coming. My own sil is polish and has been here for many years, many year - over 20. It has annoyed her immensely to watch FOM in our area, putting my DB her DH out of work. She has not blamed her countrymen one bit for coming here just like no one else we know does, she knows when she goes home to her poor farming area, how many people have come over the to the UK, but she thought our government was crazy to allow it.
She doesn't feel unwelcome, nor does anyone in her large network of friends, they all agree it was the right thing to do.
I know sadly in some areas poles have struggled and that's awful and hopefully things will settle down soon.

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 12:56

Interpret? What have I interpreted? It's what's happening.

EU immigrants can go or stay up to the time of Brexit, doesn't bother me. It's only your opinion the UK is committed 'economical suicide'. Not, for example, the opinion of the head of, say, the WTO, who sees no reason why trade should be badly disrupted. And it's only your opinion the vote was based on EU immigrants not being welcome. How do you know it wasn't based on us just wanting to know who's here and who isn't, having control, and stopping the unlimited supply of labour and ad hoc working? That's just your prejudice. Most Brexiteers want control. You are interpreting that in your way - you think it means you are wanted gone. Doesn't bother me, stay or go. Doesn't bother a lot of people.

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 12:57

I must have stopped drinking. I've come over all po.

autumnintheair · 01/11/2016 13:00

I suppose moving to another country is largely about economics but surely its also for a love of that country?

Looking to asset strip what you can get out of somewhere seems rather cold to me. If I think of moving to France or Australia which I muse on regularly it would be for the life style, the weather, the PEOPLE...the culture and so on.

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 13:01

Asset stripping - also a good phrase. I'm quoting you a lot autumn. I think I might just do an automated

^this

on a function key for use after your posts.

Corcory · 01/11/2016 13:19

I am glad to hear that the lowering of the £ is having the effect of influencing the Ad Hoc workers who come here, live in pretty poor conditions often and send all they can to their home country. I know areas in many midlands towns where house after house is full of mainly main ad hoc migrants, many in over crowded conditions. This does nothing for the local community and makes much of the area a no go area especially at night.
I have a polish daughter in law and I certainly don't want to see any people who have come over here and settled hear to leave. We have always had immigration in the UK , it makes us the vibrant colourful place we are today.

Kaija · 01/11/2016 13:25

Autumn, thanks for the suggestion.

Regarding the studies, if you don't have any trust in evidence-based research, where do you get your information from? How do you make a judgment on anything you don't have direct experience of?

StorminaBcup · 01/11/2016 13:34

Maj has asked if anyone is up for a game of brexit-bingo, Phil's given her a pass out. She's seen a few buzzwords being bandied about and thought it'd be a laugh. All the remainers have to down a shot of either schnapps, sherry, ouso, limoncello, Jaegermeister, and all the leavers get a scrumpy-jack with a whisky chaser.

Me and Maj have done a quick practice round and I don't think I'm going to see happy hour to be honest - that last 'control' has done me in!

'The Brexit Arms' is now open. Friendly cosy pub with log fire for leavers & remainers to chat & ponder life, the universe, & Brexit.
WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 14:22

Kaija why do you think the head of the wTO doesn't think trade will be badly disrupted?

ManonLescaut · 01/11/2016 14:52

the opinion of the head of, say, the WTO, who sees no reason why trade should be badly disrupted

That comes from the Daily Mail, which came from Sky.

What Azevedo actually said was:

"The UK is a member of the WTO today, it will continue to be a member tomorrow. There will be no discontinuity in membership.

"They have to renegotiate (their terms of membership) but that doesn't mean they are not members.

"Trade will not stop, it will continue and members negotiate the legal basis under which that trade is going to happen. But it doesn't mean that we'll have a vacuum or a disruption."

Do any of you have any idea of what is involved in renegotiating our WTO membership and the legal basis on which we trade?

ManonLescaut · 01/11/2016 14:59

Here's an extract from a previous interview with Azevedo with the FT:

Britain joined the WTO under the auspices of the EU and its terms of membership have been shaped by two decades of negotiations led by Brussels. If Britain voted to leave the EU it would not be allowed to simply “cut and paste” those terms, Mr Azevêdo said.

Britain would have to strike a deal on everything from the thousands of tariff lines covering its entire trade portfolio to quotas on agricultural exports, subsidies to British farmers and the access to other markets that banks and other UK services companies now enjoy.

“Pretty much all of the UK’s trade [with the world] would somehow have to be negotiated,” he said.

The WTO had never gone through such discussions with an existing member, he said, and even the procedures for doing so remained unclear. But the likely complexity of such talks, Mr Azevêdo said, made them akin to the tortuous “accession” negotiations countries go through to join the WTO. Even a small economy such as Liberia, which last year became the WTO’s 162nd member, took years to agree the terms of membership.

WTO analysis had calculated the cost of the additional tariffs on goods imports to British consumers [before new preferential trade deals are negotiated] at £9bn, while British merchandise exports would be subject to a further £5.5bn in tariffs at their destination.

FT.com

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 15:00

Does the WTO have a reason for treating the UK unfairly, or making the process difficult and lengthy? apart from a punitive reason?

ManonLescaut · 01/11/2016 15:03

They're not doing either.

WinchesterWoman · 01/11/2016 15:50

Are you suggesting the UK will cease to be able to trade after Brexit?

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