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Marmite, but what about the Yorkshire tea plantations?

One of the btl commenters on the Daily Mail article on this suggested that tea was much too cheap anyway, and that we could always drink water instead...

I don't know Kaija is my honest answer, but I'm hoping we get a deal that unites the country and brings an end to the division that has been bubbling away for years, if not decades. This country desperately needs change. I haven't got any magic answers but I know staying in the EU wouldn't have been a good move.

But you just said you would be happy to see no change in your own life, so what is the change that you do want to see?

For some people they have already paid a high price, the highest their is.

The highest price I am willing to pay well now the earth shattering news is that Yorkshire Tea is not from Yorkshire . I guess I would be game for loosing my beloved tea. But then I also drink green tea, from china. And I guess green tea would be better for me, hell, water would be better for me than the gazillion cups I drink of tea

The change I want to see is being no longer a part of the EU as is - particularly in a political way. I see the EU as bloated and corrupt, I dont want to be a part of it anymore.

What price have people paid, Autumn?

(You know the price of green tea is going up too, right? And the rest.)

Do you mean you don't want to live by laws agreed by the EU, Autumn?

No matter what way the vote had gone, my life would have carried on much as before, but I didn't vote for me, I voted for my kids & the future of this country.

Oh dear. . Ok, no tea, no green tea.

Glum.

I wasn't aware I had said that statement, I said "The change I want to see is being no longer a part of the EU as is - particularly in a political way. I see the EU as bloated and corrupt, I dont want to be a part of it anymore"

Why do you think I may feel this?

Indeed Surfer, the sacrifice we have been forced to make for our DC.

Sorry I mis read that, but my sentiment is the same.

Tea, coffee, Shiraz, food, petrol. You name it...and that's just the drop in sterling.

What I'm trying to understand is what being part of the EU means to you. If it's not being subject to eu law that is the issue, then what is it?

Surfer, what advantages do you think your kids will have that they wouldn't have if we were staying in the eu?

Maybe get a job because FOM is history?
That's a start.

You must have seen the studies showing that immigration/fom does not negatively affect employment or wages? There is no fixed amount of employment - it is dependent on growth, and immigration is good for growth.

With the greatest respect that's bollocks.

I'm worried about the increase in the price of tea. And petrol. And so many other basic necessities of modern life, all of them traded in dollars, so the rate of inflation is going to rocket.
I'm a civil servant, pay rises have been capped at a maximum of 1% for several years (if we got a payrise at all, we didn't for at least 3 years). We've been told that the 1% cap will stay for at least 4 more years.

The standard of living of millions of people will plummet, how on earth can brexit be seen as positive? Where will the money come from for public services eg the NHS, once we've lost access to the single market? What will replace the revenue lost from the city bankers' tax?

What are you basing that on?

Sorry that question was to surfer not MrsPeteDoherty (and i wish I could answer your questions)

www.theguardian.com/money/2016/may/11/eu-migrants-had-no-negative-effect-on-uk-wages-says-lse
One of many studies that show it's not "bollocks"
surfer how do you know that your children wouldn't benefit from freedom to study and work in EU countries? There is an increasing number of fields that depend on this, and you might be closing doors for them. I just don't understand it. FoM is not just one way!

There are so many businesses started by non-UK born citizens that give employment to UK workers, immigration creates employment and FoM within Europe is essential in the modern world. It's just not true that if "foreigners" leave, FoM stops, there will be more work for UK born workers. The opposite is true, they'd take their businesses away!

I'm hoping we get a deal that unites the country and brings an end to the division that has been bubbling away for years

You think Brexit will ultimately be a unifying force and end division? You don't think this whole campaign has infact been the cause of huge division, even some families aren't speaking to each other never mind any potential conflict in NI and Scotland.

Retrieves dart from war criminal and turns to conversation.
Jaws, I don't consider anything in the Guardian as a study. They are left wing remainers.
FOM does affect jobs and wages in some parts of the UK. and it affects community cohesion and how communities work and feel about their sense of belonging.
I want to live by laws agreed here in the UK. And I identify as British not European.

The study was conducted by the LSE - the guardian was just reporting it.

Is fom the only law you have concerns about, or are there others?

Trying, regarding that sense of belonging and community cohesion, the thing that doesn't add up is that it is those communities that have the lowest levels of immigration that have the biggest issue with it. Which strongly suggests that something else is actually causing the problem. And given that those areas of low immigration tend to be poor and economically/politically neglected, poverty and lack of investment seem like far more likely culprits. These things are likely to get worse, not better, with Brexit, particularly a "hard" Brexit.