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Brexit

'The Brexit Arms' is now open. Friendly cosy pub with log fire for leavers & remainers to chat & ponder life, the universe, & Brexit.

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surferjet · 30/10/2016 16:43

You are all most welcome Wine

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Corcory · 31/10/2016 19:54

But how do you know it will be a disaster Mrs Peter?
Jaws5 is up to her usual! Surfer didn't say that.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 31/10/2016 19:56

I dont fucking identify as fucking euro-fucking-pean

For fucks sake Hmm

I have been hiding in the toilets as i am pretty scared of iamwendys nerf gun

But i will nip out of the back door as i know when i am not wanted

I have never been so insulted in my life

(Thats a lie...)

jaws5 · 31/10/2016 20:01

I don't think they like identifying as British either, they see themselves as 'European' - I think they're worried that now we're no longer in the EU they can't read le Monde outside overpriced bistros in Hoxton
.... and we're still in the EU, sorry to remind you, like, you know, in Planet Earth

surferjet · 31/10/2016 20:02

That's £4 in the swear jar please rufus
£1 for every fuck or fucking.

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StorminaBcup · 31/10/2016 20:10
ClaudiaApfelstrudel · 31/10/2016 20:19

we should just stay in the EU, the 52% are a bunch of f*ckwits tbh

that's the truth of it, no 'the people have spoken' bollocks!

Brexit is the whim of the people, not the will!

Kaija · 31/10/2016 20:21

Here's a pubby sort of question that works for leavers and remainers: if everything carried on just the same as before for you personally post-Brexit, with no obvious changes to your finances, social life, immediate environment etc, would you be happy with that? If not, what would you like to see changing?

RortyCrankle · 31/10/2016 20:29

Entertainment on the karaoke tonight is provided by the Jolly Leavers Doodah Band with a rendition of "Happy":

Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you know what happiness is to you
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like that's what you wanna do

Happy, bring me down
Can't nothing, bring me down
Love is too happy to bring me down
Can't nothing, bring me down
I said bring me down
Can't nothing, bring me down
Love is too happy to bring me down
Can't nothing, bring me down
I said

There are a further five verses - happy to sing if there is sufficient demand Grin

Kaija · 31/10/2016 20:31

That's great. What are you happy about?

Corcory · 31/10/2016 20:31

Have you got that swear jar for Claudia Surfer?

prettybird · 31/10/2016 20:50

I listened to the Australian Trade Minister say on R2 last week that regional free trade areas were the best way forward......Confused

Wonder what regional free trade area on our doorstep we could join? Grin

autumnintheair · 31/10/2016 20:51

Three large deep glasses of shiraz, I feel a pleasant rosey glow, taking wonky aim at Blair Board, with large pimped up nerf gun, ooops missed Blush

but why do some think that we can't cope outside the EU?

Its all down to perception isn't it, I mean how could anyone look at our classic cosy pub, complete with roaring fires, candles, and oodles of hyugee (sp) and think its a Weatherspoons Confused

Kaija · 31/10/2016 20:57

I wouldn't take the Wetherspoons thing personally - it's just that the boss was a very prominent Brexiteer.

autumnintheair · 31/10/2016 20:57

Rorty I am happy clapping along, I may seize the mike in a mo though and start to Blair out " Thats Life, thats what all the people say, your riding high in April, shot down in May....."

autumnintheair · 31/10/2016 20:58

I think the thing is - no matter where some people are though they will always see Weatherspoons. I have nothing agaisnt Weatherspoons apart from sticky carpets, they have their place.

Corcory · 31/10/2016 21:06

Exactly Autumn. It's got a lot to do with perception. I think a lot of leavers are much less insular than remainers because we want to go out into the world and don't just want to limit ourselves to the EU. Where as many remainers think of us as insular little Englanders.

Corcory · 31/10/2016 21:07

Exactly Autumn. It's got a lot to do with perception. I think a lot of leavers are much less insular than remainers because we want to go out into the world and don't just want to limit ourselves to the EU. Where as many remainers think of us as insular little Englanders.

surferjet · 31/10/2016 21:07

I don't think I've ever been in a Weatherspoons tbh.

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surferjet · 31/10/2016 21:14

Kaija
Yes I would be happy with that, would you be?

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autumnintheair · 31/10/2016 21:16

Agree Corcory, its time for a change, the EU project was a great idea at the time, and its probably still wonderful for a few other countries in it - but by and large its now the wrong project for us to be a part of.
Its a shame when we joined we were not aware we were hitching ourselves to the doomed sinking sink to which there is no escape Confused

Kaija · 31/10/2016 21:20

As to why people think we wouldn't be able to cope outside the EU, I'd say it comes down to the fact that we currently have very favourable trading arrangements within the EU, and a streamlined process for importing and exporting components, products and services, and it's extremely difficult to see how that might be replicated outside the single market. While some leavers were advocating staying within the single market before the vote (presumably so as not to spook voters) many are now saying that this wouldn't be a "real" Brexit. Some are saying the same about staying in the customs union too.

Modern trade agreements are incredibly complex and detailed, and take many years to complete with very large numbers of experienced (and expensive) negotiators. We don't currently have many of those. If we are lucky and careful (and stop insulting the rest of the EU) we might get a decent transitional agreement to see us through to the other side. Or we might not.

Before the ref a poll of foreign investors showed that for 75% of them, full access to the European single market was a key reason for being in the uk. If we lose that we lose the investment, the jobs, the tax revenue.

Then there is the financial sector. Whatever we may think about their practices, they contribute around 11% of the U.K.'s total tax take (around £60 billion pa if you want to do the comparison with the £350 million eu contribution). If, as seems likely, we lose the bulk of that to France or Germany there is just no way of making that up, so our schools, hospitals, social care etc all suffer.

On the other hand, I hear there is a plan to make our way in the world by exporting jam, so perhaps we'll be OK.

autumnintheair · 31/10/2016 21:27

Yes it will be hard wont it , oh dear, so this is what Blair was going on about then oh dear. I do wish someone pointed this out, before I voted Grin

Marmitelover55 · 31/10/2016 21:37

Why would we not want tariff free trading with our geographically close neighbours? Surely importing/exporting to America/Canada/Australasia etc will make goods more expensive due to the bigger transport costs involved?

Last night I was staggered to read that some Brexiteers thought Yorkshire tea was from Yorkshire and so couldn't understand why the price will be going up Hmm. Damn those experts.

Kaija · 31/10/2016 21:42

Surfer, thanks for answering, yes I would be happy with as little disruption as possible. So there's something we can agree on. So what kind of Brexit deal will be most likely to bring about this outcome?

Kaija · 31/10/2016 21:43

Autumn, what do you want from Brexit? And how high a price would you be willing to pay to get it?

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