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You are all most welcome

Hang on. Its ok for some on here to start a conversation about the WTO and say to other people that they are wrong to disagree and suggest that there would be problems with trade under the WTO rules, yet when someone responds as to why there are a shit tonne of problems with it that's not ok.

I get that this thread is supposed to be for Brexiteers primarily. This however being Mumsnet, if you start a conversation about a subject people will reply to that post.

If you want to be light hearted and fun, then raising the WTO as a subject might not fit in with that. Because you WILL get responses that are complex and difficult because the subject is well... complex and in depth.

You can't have it both ways.

If you want fun and lighthearted stick to that. Otherwise expect replies to posts about the WTO to go in depth and perhaps say things you don't want to hear because that is a reflection of the subject.

I quoted what you said up thread but Bearbehind has, on and on and on and on.

Indeed I have corcory and, 4 months on we're reduced to this puerile thread which, despite the title, is for completely ignoring anything Brexit related, because none of you actually have any well thought out answers to any repercussions of leaving the EU.

Cheers

Autumn, I don't know what you would view as cast iron, but from what I can see from the office for national statistics the most recent figures are 333,000 net migration overall with 184,000 of that from within the EU and the rest from outside. Are these the figures you feel are wrong?

corcory this brings to mind an anecdote a friend told me recently. It happened in her hometown when she went to her local shop to buy some bread for lunch. She joined the queue made of some very drunk foreign men, who were shouting at the shopkeeper demanding he spoke their language, and when my friend arrived they sexually intimidated her. A few days later, she treated some of these men in the hospital where she works. They had been involved in an altercation, the police confirmed that this nationality creates the most problems in this town, because of their cultural habits of alcohol consumption. The town was Benalmádena, Spain, the men were English.

corcory my point is, this anecdote is equally pointless, apart from providing some tabloid fodder, isn't it?

Red - I don't think the problem on here was anything to do with the WTO rules and any disagreement about that. The problem we had on page 10 was that WW had to go answer the door and two remainers started to make fun of her suggesting she was trying to get out of answering you. They then started this old line we descend into where Bearbehind always says leavers never answer questions. We were having some quite ok discussions before the usual suspects came along with their comments.

OMFG, do you seriously think anyone types 'my doorbell just rang' as anything other than an excuse?

ww has been back since then and still didn't reply to Reds arguments.

Are you lot really so blinkered you actually believed the doorbell thing?

jaws5 Tue 01-Nov-16 17:06:15
Yawn.

WinchesterWoman Tue 01-Nov-16 17:10:14

Thank you.

Poverty and hardship as prices go up and people lose jobs, as we've started to see already

What do you think happened in 2007? Poverty, hardship, people lost jobs? Lehmans anyone? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehman_Brothers

My husbands team was cut from over 20 people to under 10 luckily my darling DH kept his job he was one of the under 10. But with wage lock no wage increase and a small baby of 6 months and a house that needed total renovation and gutting. I remember the price of our shopping go up, I remember sourcing from the reduced aisles and looking elsewhere to stock up for our baby.

There are plenty of potholes ahead, sadly. I just hope the EU trundle bus doesn't reach them before we leave
trundlebus

What are you saying autumn, you suffered in 2007 so it's fine for others to do so now?

No I didn't reply: and this will be the last thing I address to you. My doorbell rang. Why don't you just out and call me a liar? Put your big pants on. Say it.

I thought what Red said was all dressed up with pretending to want to be helped to understand. Which makes it goady. Despite all that I had on my desk a pile of printed out papers from a City analyst which I looked through before June 23 and I was going to riffle through again - but I thought I'd better put at least half comment down before MY KID CAME HOME to acknowledge the post. Your untimely arrival accusing me of lying pissed me off mightily and if you and Red are on the same team - I'm in the snug. Waiting for you to go home.

ww, If you say you had time to type 'my doorbell just rang' after it actually rang, then press send on a thread, all at the perfectly opportune moment to avoid answering questions you still haven't addressed, then I totally believe you.

Right, double gin please, and I don't usually drink.
I am sick of being asked questions. I have a right to think as I like and to come to the conclusions I have come to by whatever means I like.
If you want to believe the "experts" so be it. I am capable of thinking for myself.
Cheers.
Now back to the darts.

sigh

just call me a liar - just do it

Well, it looks like the first rule of Brexit pub is that you don't talk about Brexit, I'm out.

I am sick of being asked questions. I have a right to think as I like and to come to the conclusions I have come to by whatever means I like.

Not aimed at you personally tryingtosaveup, but unless we are able to question the basis for people's beliefs, how would we ever challenge prejudice?

Corcory that's fair enough.

I do want to make the point that, its got to the stage that I don't expect a reply as I do appreciate people are fed up of justifying what they think.

I do want to challenge what people say though if I think its flawed, as I think its right to, because other people read it too and if the idea is flawed then it needs to be shown to be, rather than letting myths about how great the proposal is be left standing by themselves.

I am fed up of things being said by politicians which are utterly misleading and incorrect because its creating a situation in which the public are being given false impression and hope about Brexit, rather than taking an approach which is more realistic.

I don't have a problem with people not answering what I say on here for that reason. Its just about 'getting it out there'. If it helps anyone - whether they be the poster or another reader - question things in their own heads that's enough.

I would love for someone to say that the WTO option has real merit as there is a good chance that's what we'll get at this rate. It would be nice to see some positivity in it. That's what depresses me. I can't see it. Not proving a stupid point.

Ok, ww, I think you were lying about the doorbell.

We've had a barney on another thread about you avoiding answering questions - that time you did it by by posing more questions yourself.

You popped up there again tonight all dismissive about manons WTO questions but reds post blew you out of the water because up you can't begin to reply.

Do you honestly think anyone, other than your chums, believes it's a coincidence that your doorbell miraculously prevented you answering points you still haven't addressed 3 hours later, given your previous form?

Taking reds point further

I would love for someone to say that hard Brexit has real merit as there is a good chance that's what we'll get at this rate. It would be nice to see some positivity in it. That's what depresses me. I can't see it. Not proving a stupid point.

Some of the most bigoted & prejudiced people I've ever come across have been remain voters. They think all leave voters are white 'Little Englanders' & they really really don't like them.
Because of course, all the 17 million people who voted leave are white UKIP voters. None were black, Aisan, gay, Labour, or anything other than white - not a single one. In reality millions fell into those categories, but remainers can't cope with that because they like to pigeon hole everything, they only deal with statistics & 'facts' & their own narrow mindedness, because anything else confuses them.

Disaronno

sighs....brings back wonderful memories.....