Enough is enough

[RBeer]

We are now in the throes of a right wing agenda willing to bring down the country for its own ideological beliefs. Bad things happen when good people do nothing. I for one will stand up so lest my children say I did nothing.

Yes, Brexiters seem to appear in these threads with the sole intention of derailing the subject and lowering the level of debate, incite arguments with their pathetic insults and then act offended.

Oh and they then complain about others attacking them and name calling.

Not sure they have the mental capacity of irony.

It's not a lie. It's what you desperately want. You know that if we stay in the EU, we are fucked, and you are shown to be wrong. But if we stay but with 'soft brexit', we don't leave (win for Remainers) and anything that goes wrong can be blamed on 'soft brexit' (another win for you). Soft Brexit will become the new kicking stick. Right now it's uncertainty, which you adore so much you want to extend it as long and as much as possible, with votes on all sorts of non relevant stuff in the Commons, legal challenges, and all that crap. But after next March it will be soft Brexit. It's so predictable.

Oh my God Smallfox how childish are you?

WW I was pissing in the wind, thought so......

Lord Rothermere All those emptied tower blocks in the city can be home to new cottage industries making jam and boomerangs, that'll do it.

I didn't see your post Rondo - must be on a previous - let me look back

I'd check your own posts before you critique anyone else's childishness.

But to rebut your previous but one post:

"You know that if we stay in the EU, we are fucked, and you are shown to be wrong."

Nothing you have posted has shown any of my analysis to be wrong. In fact I'd say that the paucity of your arguments shows your actual level of understanding of the issues.

This uncertainty, and the one that will follow even after art 50 is declared, is your side's doing, why don't you "take back control" of that.

i've posted a response on another thread. I'll go and get it.

Rodo : I'm not getting quite what you're asking - since Tony Blair we've run a big trade deficit pretty much - are you saying Brexit should instantly remove that deficit? Am I being too simplistic in trying to understand your question?

WW: "It's not a lie. It's what you desperately want. You know that if we stay in the EU, we are fucked, and you are shown to be wrong."

Oh dear. No. What we wanted is to remain in the EU. That's why we voted, you know, Remain.

I would LOVE to be proved wrong about all this, believe me. But it's not looking good.

Thank God we aren't staying because then you would be proved wrong and not in a good way.

You know what they say about not feeding them.

Maybe keep this thread for discussion of practical steps, and take the debate to one of the other threads?

I don't think you'll ever be proved right WW.

Right now it's uncertainty, which you adore so much you want to extend it as long and as much as possible

No-one wants uncertainty. The current uncertainty was brought about by the result of the referendum. Had it gone the other way, we would not be in the current state of uncertainty and we would have a much healthier pound.

I didn't realise this was an action thread. Yes, starting an action thread will be a great idea. You should seriously all write to the MPs who already agree with you and want any excuse to ignore the will of the people. The other ones - maybe you could, like, angrily tweet them or something?

That was out of order but seriously I'm not a troll, i thought this was a conversation thread. It's not like a private thing.

Ah the "will of the people", you see when nearly as many people voted for something as against it you don't get to classify it as the "will of the people" its dubious use of emotive language and factually incorrect.

Like most of your posts tbh.

My posts are really great and full of sound arguments smallpox well some posts on the thread have to be

but I don't mind if you don't want me around - it's fine. Echo chamber good.

WW, you should consider starting your own thread now, out of politeness and basic manners.

Oh no please let her stay, she's not really a challenge but it is fun to help while away the hours on the sofa whilst binge watching a box set.

But small you only get to be a person if you are on the winning side. Anyone else isn't worthy

Writing to my mp is useless. My mp is useless. Thankfully his majority was massively decreased in 2015. Sadly mainly eaten into by ukip but in fairness to the ukip guy he's reasonable on women's rights.

What do the rest of us non people suggest I could do. Would writing to the local leaders of opposition parties probably not ukip for obvious reasons pledging support help?

Magik, I'm surprised WW feels the need to speak for "the people" cause if anything we already know that the leave vote was massively divided on what it was all about. Do all "the people" get what they want?

WW Your answer shows that you have not actually considered the impact of Brexit on Britains sources of competitive advantage in the global economy, even David Davies published the chart which showed how the different sectors of our economy perform, with financial services generating the greatest surplus and being at the greatest risk (and this is no accident, it is the result of Margaret Thatchers explicit economic strategy to sacrifice manufacturing industries which could not compete with emerging economies in favour of a making the U.K. a global leader in services and tech, partly via membership of the EU, where we could) Other sectors in surplus are high tech industries underwritten by our world leading expertise in STEM subjects and a thriving higher education sector, which are all thriving as a result of being part of the EU, it's investment and collaborative and other networks. Those working in Services, the tech industries, Science and Higher Education are all clearly signalling the damage that will be done by divorcing them from the benefits of EU membership.

I agree with you that the UK has not been earning it's living but the answer to that is not to damage most the parts of the economy that are actually enabling us to compete.

So my question, which I have asked you before, is how do you propose to compensate for that damage. You need to find some new sources of competitive advantage if you have shot the existing ones in the foot. Just exactly what do you propose to enable us to make up for that loss of trading surplus?

Ahem

A link for you:

www.open-britain.co.uk/