Pro-Leavers - please help

[CeciledeVolanges]

Good morning.
I am following a lot of conversations and events about the referendum and there are a lot of assertions about "what the referendum was about" and "why people voted" and "what people want."
I just wanted to ask, neutrally, if you believe that we should leave the EU what good things do you want to happen or believe will happen when we do?
I can't account for anyone else, but I have seen some really nasty referendum threads and I often get upset about it myself, so I want to say I will not attack or even argue with anyone, I'm just interested to hear the wishes and opinions of people who want positively to leave. It is such an emotive issue - not least to me - and maybe there are some views we haven't heard yet.
Thanks if you do answer! And thanks for reading.

Do you think that small fox could be unhappily married to Liam Fox and MN is an outlet for her frustration? (cos I think he is loaded)

I've tried engaging with you small, but your haughty attitude to anyone who hasn't got a massive hard on for the EU is pretty grating.

small why are you so threatened by the thought of an EU thread that doesn't include you?
If you were being paid to spread a certain agenda then I could understand it but tbh I can't imagine anyone is paying you for this.

Really, I don't get to approve whose are valid, but lets be honest the "totalitarian superstate" and £350 million ones aren't actually good reasons to vote leave are they

Not in your opinion, that's the whole point of democracy. A person get's to decide for themselves. I honestly believe you'd take the vote away from people you didn't deem as worthy. Yeah?

I'm not sure social media is the place objectively to assess the factual accuracy of any opinion or the facts on which an opinion is based...

Book recommendation from me: On Liberty by John Stuart Mill. Huge Mill fan here.

Cecilede you are also an act Utilitarian then? In the extremest form you'd give away every penny of extra income to the poor as this would maximise utility.

I don't think I said I agreed with every single one of the ideas that he puts forward. I found what he says about freedom of speech in the work "On Liberty" to be illuminating and thought provoking and agree with much of what he says in that work on that subject. Apologies, I should have been more specific.

Cecilede asked a question a few pages back; several posters talked about the various reasons why they voted leave, Cecilede asked how does anybody think how the 52%'s wishes can be delivered, as people saw this as their chance for voices to be heard, not all of it related to the EU.

I am not sure anybody has answered her. Leaving the single market and TM's immigration plan? If you voted on immigration that is.

TMs immigration 'plan' though I wouldn't call it a plan, arose long after the vote so I wouldn't expect it to inform anyone's voting preferences. And surely,given the binary nature of the question put, it was sufficient for voters simply to prefer to exit the EU and be free of its restrictions -and benefits if you like?

An Mep gets £72,000 a year. Not entirely sure what they actually do mind.

Gettintrimmer - I would imagine if the thread could be left to run in the style it was requested by the OP you might have got more answers. As it is it became derailed pretty quickly by the unfortunate challenging by another poster and we are where we are.

I'm really not sure how a lot of the wishes of the 52% can be delivered, you're right about not all of it being related to the EU.

The elites narative that was peddled by the leave campaign certainly appealed to some, especially those in areas which have experienced deindustrialisation and have suffered economically because of it.

My own experience of this is being from the North East ( despite now living in London) and discussing the issue with family and friends up there. It really annoys leavers when you disucss this, alongside the documentaries made by the BBC/Sky etc which sought to find out their reasons for leaving, but most really weren't about the EU at all.

There is a lot of anger about austerity, which has had major impacts in the North East where government agencies are among the biggest employers, there have been redundancies, pay cuts and freezes etc and declining public services. There have been big cuts to bus services, isolating people along with many other cuts to services which had previously been seen as essential.

There is a feeling of abandonment and much anger that "That London" gets far more public spending on it. A friend of mine was spitting blood when it was revealed the the per capita spend on subsidising public transport and infrastructure in London was £2,500 but it County Durham it was £5.

There are also negative feelings regarding immigration, which has taken some of the blame for probems caused by austerity. There was also fear stoked about immigration and Turkey, as well as preying on people's fears regarding public services and immigration.

The leave campaign did appeal to many people, for a myriad of reasons but the increased spending on public services was one.

Here is my real key point though, I think the language used for the leave campaign really appealed to a disenfranchised group of people. Take back control, our borders etc appealed very much to a group of people who have felt for a long time that they don't have any control. Kicking the elites enhanced that further.

Its a sad state of affairs, because I really can't see things getting better for many of these people.

I think Labour have to take a lot of the blame for the leave vote. Silly feckers that they are.

user14 it depends on who they are. Many, most, take it seriously and are held to account by their voters, that's the norm in other European countries. Here the party with the biggest representation at the European parliament is UKIP, but their leader only turns up to insult others and get his payslip.

I hope, that now we going to leave, the food in British supermarkets is actually British!

I'd love to see local seasonal products, with an affordable price tag! I'd love to see farmers being able to sell what they produce, without having to compete with cheap imports.

This could have a huge impact on economy, enforcement and the health of the British people.

Nope, not British- in fact, where I come from, Britain is known as the great food dumping ground of Europe.

ment environment.... spell check!

Mother - those who work at the Commission, or for another international organisation, have special ID cards and don't pay tax. Two of my friends who work at the Commission have been told that they need to have held an ID card from their commune to be eligible to apply for Belgian nationality.

I also think it's great that our coastal towns are going to thrive again. Great news for millions of people.

A basic, tax free salary at the Commission or other int org, for clerical grade is around €5000. It's not unusual for more senior people to clear 10K a month. This certainly doesn't compare with the pay of UK civil servants, which is what the jobs essentially equate to.

Why do you think coastal towns will thrive again?

The Government will still be using fishing quotas, and we won't be fishing in other countries waters.

So..

"Smallfox, ever hard of a self-fulfilling prophecy? If people didn't fear and lose their heads the financial market wouldn't have the same problems it does when people begin to respond in panic."
Brilliant, now the upcoming economic downturn will be blamed on those who want us to remain EU citizens. 'self-fulfilling prophecy eh? Maybe we can put the 'great' back into Britain if we all read and practice 'The Secret'?

The Government will still be using fishing quotas, and we won't be fishing in other countries waters

20% of the fish landed in the UK came from non-UK waters. Any responsible government will of course issue quotas.

If we mis manage the stocks then that's our fault but fishing communities will be resurgent.

I don't think anything will really change regarding fishing. The Government already control who gets the quotas so what is going to change?