Pro-Leavers - please help

[CeciledeVolanges]

Good morning.
I am following a lot of conversations and events about the referendum and there are a lot of assertions about "what the referendum was about" and "why people voted" and "what people want."
I just wanted to ask, neutrally, if you believe that we should leave the EU what good things do you want to happen or believe will happen when we do?
I can't account for anyone else, but I have seen some really nasty referendum threads and I often get upset about it myself, so I want to say I will not attack or even argue with anyone, I'm just interested to hear the wishes and opinions of people who want positively to leave. It is such an emotive issue - not least to me - and maybe there are some views we haven't heard yet.
Thanks if you do answer! And thanks for reading.

Small - ok thanks

But isn't that the problem fracking - the vote has happened. The time to be weighing up expert analysis is long gone.

This is the Telegraph article you referendum to

I've only scanned through it but what jumped out to me was the comment about the long term devaluation of sterling being good for car exporters.

That is typical spin- the adverse affects of sterling being so low will far outweigh the benefits because we are a net importer.

Oddly relevant typo above- refer to to referendum to!

fracking there's a big difference between someone not being able to express themselves properly and someone who has no intention of contributing to the discussion.

This thread is asking leavers about the good things they would like to happen.
I would like all the sneering, rude remainers to leave.
And I would like to reduce immigration.

I'd like you to explain why you want to lower immigration..

The EU wanted to change our food standards similar to that of America, allowing more hormones in our food etc. A huge health risk to the nation, look at the US! Also they did treat Greece terribly...

I won't say what I voted though but just wanted to mention those points

I don't think Greece got treated terribly at all, Greece has failed for decades to get its tax system in order and at the same time ran up big debts once it got into the eurozone. The Greeks have a had a lot of debt written off from the EU but still need to cut spending and sort out their tax affairs.

One of the reasons that TTIP isn't going to go ahead is that the EU doesn't want to change food .

small is right about surfers posting style on these threads. She doesn't join in with the conversation other than to make veiled threats about 'hoping MNHQ are keeping their eye on' those of us she doesn't like

The reason she doesn't like us is we ask for her opinion and she isn't capable of articulating it. That doesn't make us the villains. This is a very specific section of MN dedicated to talking about Brexit- if you aren't actually going to contribute to threads other than to tell people to fuck off 'our' thread when she hasn't actually added anything to it, it does make you wonder why she's hanging around

This post, as like most remainers posts is full of shit.
Firstly, I'm not obsessed with the sound of my own voice like you & smallfox are - sometimes I might just want to read what other people have to say & not contribute at all, that is allowed you know.
& yes, this was an interesting thread until you two turned up & ruined it - but that's your 'style' & you're never going to change.
It's a shame there isn't a block poster option on this board because having to put up with you & smallfox is such a pain.
I notice Red never conducts herself the way you two do, that's because she's the only remainer on this board with any class. ( & she's the most knowledgeable)

surfer you contributed nothing to the thread then told small and I to fuck off because it was 'our' thread.

There was no need for you to be so rude. These threads are open to anyone.

The fact remains you never post anything that even attempts to discuss the situation we are currently in.

red is quite sensible in that she doesn't engage with you.

Bearbehind
I don't have to contribute to every thread I read fgs, & it would be nice to have just one thread where leavers can talk amongst themselves - are you not able to stay off a thread? surely you have some self control?

& I know red ignores me, but that doesn't alter my respect for her as a poster.

I don't have to contribute to every thread I read fgs

That's very true- so why do you feel the need to comment just to pull up those of us who do post on threads we are interested in.

Why should there be a thread where Leavers talk amongst themselves if the things they are saying are relevant to Remainers or provoke questions?

That's your problem- you are stuck on your fluffy cloud and only want to hear from people who think your narrow minded views on immigration are acceptable and never want discuss the very real negative repercussions of leaving the EU.

The arse licking of red is quite odd too

< sigh >
I'm not sucking up to red, I'm just saying that she is a very prolific remain poster but isn't all over the place calling leavers idiots.
& I'm not trying to shut down debate, but it would be nice to have just one thread where leavers were free to talk & not get hassled by remainers.
I'm not asking for much.

Surfer Perhaps you could show me where in the Mumsnet talk guidelines it outlines how OPs and posters can make their threads exclusive and open only to those who agree with each other?

Rather than " the vast majority of Mumsnet discussions are genuinely informative, supportive and friendly (even when we all disagree with each other!) "

It isn't a school playground rife with alpha girl bitchyness and exclusion, and wanting it to be so is, yes, too much to ask. I nearly left Mumsnet altogether as a result of being the focus of a deranged sustained personal attack, but I was reassured that that is not what Mumsnet is about, most of us are here because of the quality of debate on threads like Reds. If you want to hear only what you want to hear I am sure there are other forums for you.

surfer I have not called you or anyone else an idiot I and I have repeatedly tried to engage you in discussions about Brexit but you just refuse to answer anything.

It is too much to ask for a thread that only says what you want it to say- Internet forums don't work like that.

It's exteremly telling that you even want that to happen because it's just more 'if I stick my fingers in my ears and shout la la la' it's all fine.

What is the point of a Leavers thread that is not actually attached to reality?

But I wouldn't dream of posting on a thread titled 'pro-remainers - please help'
because I'm not a remainer.
I genuinely don't understand why anyone would post on a thread that wasn't about them?

I dont agree with a lot surfer says

But i do agree (as i am sure most of us do) with her comments about red

And i would generally not post on threads not intended for me

Although i do reserve the right to stick my oar in when i think someone or something is not fair

I genuinely don't understand why anyone would post on a thread that wasn't about them?

And I genuinely don't understand why you would want a thread where you can talk amongst yourselves without letting the pesky people who disagree with you in. That's before you take into account the fact you didn't even contribute to it

This thread attracts both sides, it was addressed to Leavers but, given the lack of answers anywhere else, Remainers are always going to want to see what is said.

Why is it so important to you that Leavers views are not questioned?

Look everyone.
We all live on the same two islands.
There will come a point at which we have to start having a discussion and co-operating, which means we have to listen to each other.
That was the aim of the thread.

Cecile, I think you may get some replies saying they can't listen as there is nothing to listen to. It's a mess.

And I genuinely don't understand why you would want a thread where you can talk amongst yourselves without letting the pesky people who disagree with you in.

Because sometimes people do expect a little consideration.

If there is a thread titled 'People who have had an abortion- advice please' would you look down on a rabid pro lifer who just couldn't leave the thread alone, even though it's obviously not 'for them'.

It's not even about stifling discussion anymore. There is no discussion to be had between two people who cannot see or accept the others views.

suramar that is a completely ridiculous and inappropriate analogy.

Another persons abortion does not affect the whole country. This decision does/ has and will continue to do so.

Why is is so important to have a thread where you can all just congratulate each other on your victory and share platitudes?

As fracking said, this is a mess because one side won't discuss the issues. And yes, discussion does involve a critique of opinions but, surely if you feel strongly enough about your choices you shouldn't find that a problem.

If there is a thread titled 'People who have had an abortion- advice please' would you look down on a rabid pro lifer who just couldn't leave the thread alone, even though it's obviously not 'for them'.

That happens on all threads where strong opinions are held.
E.g. Let's praise Comprehensive schools - and the Grammar school lobby jump in. And other topics, on and on and on.