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Pro-Leavers - please help

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CeciledeVolanges · 10/10/2016 08:07

Good morning.
I am following a lot of conversations and events about the referendum and there are a lot of assertions about "what the referendum was about" and "why people voted" and "what people want."
I just wanted to ask, neutrally, if you believe that we should leave the EU what good things do you want to happen or believe will happen when we do?
I can't account for anyone else, but I have seen some really nasty referendum threads and I often get upset about it myself, so I want to say I will not attack or even argue with anyone, I'm just interested to hear the wishes and opinions of people who want positively to leave. It is such an emotive issue - not least to me - and maybe there are some views we haven't heard yet.
Thanks if you do answer! And thanks for reading.

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Petronius16 · 16/10/2016 17:15

I voted Remain, reluctantly as I've posted prviously. A few days before sending off my postal vote I was still uncertain which way to vote and I know a fair few people who felt the same – DP who voted differently for example. It was a dreadful choice.

I'm sure there are many Leavers who felt the same and I'm interested in their point of view.

Now we are leaving and apparently have the right to change our laws, the question I've asked a number of times, 'Which EU laws would you change?' now applies to everyone.

Any post that in my view gets nasty, I stop reading and move on.

surferjet · 16/10/2016 17:36

That happens on all threads where strong opinions are held

But the only people with really strong opinions are remainers. I know that's because a few of you are still really angry at the result, but you're taking that anger out on other mumsnetters, who whether you agree with it or not, might just want a chat & not an argument - it's all down to manners really & how much respect you have for other members of the mumsnet community.

smallfox2002 · 16/10/2016 17:41

I don't think you can claim respect for members of the MN community surfer, for a long time your posts on these threads have either been individual attacks on others or fairly goady posts about winning.

You don't contribute much to the actual debate and are guilty of all the things you accuse others of.

Peregrina · 16/10/2016 17:59

But the only people with really strong opinions are remainers
If that is really the case, then IMO, it's a poor reflection on the Leave voters. There are numerous issues to be resolved as to what sort of future you would like to have outside the EU. The best answer you can make is 'Whatever'?

Bearbehind · 16/10/2016 18:03

I do think it's true that only Remaners have strong opinions.

Far too many Leaver voters either thought it was all over on 24th June or are just happy for TM to do what she sees fit.

The irony of wanting to 'take back control' when you were only passing it to an unelected PM would be hysterical if it weren't so serious,

surferjet · 16/10/2016 18:03

I'm talking about on MN, not in RL.
You know as well as I do that very few leavers post on this board, they gave up months ago.

Peregrina · 16/10/2016 18:07

Why did Leave give up? They could be presenting a vision of the sort of future they would like to see. There is no harm in informed debate.

Besides, Fox and Davis need a little bit of help there - so far they have opened their mouths and talked rubbish, which isn't helpful.

IamWendy · 16/10/2016 18:13

I voted to leave. Not leave and then be expected to come up with a plan and defend it against lots of bitter people online. Why do you think we need to have a plan bashed out on a mum's forum for it to work?? I'm pretty sure the government are paid to govern Grin

smallfox2002 · 16/10/2016 18:14

the leave posters gave up because many of them were astroturfing, also many of them only really saw the victory as the goal, not what the end product of brexit would be. I know people who voted leave who ask why we are still talking about it, in their mind its done.

Also there were leave posters who repeated the same old points that are easy to counter and to show that their reasoning is fault e.g the impact of immigration, more opportunities for world trade etc.

People don't like to be challenged.

lostowl · 16/10/2016 18:22

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Pro-Leavers - please help
Bearbehind · 16/10/2016 18:42

I voted to leave. Not leave and then be expected to come up with a plan and defend it against lots of bitter people online

wendy what did your vote to leave mean to you. What do you want to happen?

IAmNotTheMessiah · 16/10/2016 18:57

It's amazing the number of people who trust the government to come up with their solutions, when they didn't trust them when they advised that it was a bad idea...

Bearbehind · 16/10/2016 18:59

It's amazing the number who voted to 'take back control' only to give it to an unelected PM and her government.

You'd almost think they didn't know what they were voting for wouldn't you? Hmm

smallfox2002 · 16/10/2016 19:03

Ah but democracy and sovereignty were really only buzzwords to "win" even though they had no idea what they were competing for.

Tryingtosaveup · 16/10/2016 20:57

I have said I voted leave in the hope of reducing immigration.
I think controlled immigration aimed at filling specific gaps would be a good thing.
Uncontrolled immigration leads to undue pressure on services like schools and the NHS. It is all very well saying " ah, but immigrants work and pay their taxes" I'm sure some do. They still take school places and places in maternity hospitals and gp's surgeries.

There is no point in uncontrolled immigration from the EU.
This country does not gain from having immigrants taking all of the jobs in coffee shops and restaurants
And it certainly doesn't gain from paying child benefit for children living in East European countries. How on earth can anyone argue that it does?
This is not racist. It is simply stating facts.
Bars, restaurants, car washes, motorway service stations appear to me to be staffed exclusively by EU immigrants.
This is nothing to do with HE research, STEM research or financial services.
I suspect that many remainers on here are, in fact EU citizens who want to stay living here. Yet they seem to hate all the people who are British.

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 16/10/2016 21:18

I suspect that many remainers on here are, in fact EU citizens who want to stay living here. Yet they seem to hate all the people who are British.

And here is where you completely lost me

Up til then i was all "i dont agree but fair enough" and then i was all "whhhaaaatttt" Shock

TheElementsSong · 16/10/2016 21:24

Rufus Grin

smallfox2002 · 16/10/2016 21:37

"Uncontrolled immigration leads to undue pressure on services like schools and the NHS."

Immigration means that waiting times in areas with higher immigration goes down, because of the healthy migrant effect. 87% of school children in the UK get their first choice primary school. Its hardly massive pressure. This argument has been debunked so many times, in far more detail than I'm prepared to go into here., but immigration is not the cause of pressure on services. Even in much moaned about Boston 93% of children get their first choice school.

What is effecting public services is austerity. In fact Oxford Economics, UCL and LSE all come to the same conculusion, that reductions in immigration don't lead to improved services because there isn't an equivilant fall in demand for the fall in money going into the public purse.

"This country does not gain from having immigrants taking all of the jobs in coffee shops and restaurants"

Stereotypical crap, about a third of jobs in the hospitality industry are taken by immigrants, but that tends to be because they are in big cities and areas where there is lower than national average unemployment.

In fact all of your post reveals you to be uniformed, ignorant and prejudiced. You haven't done any of the other leavers on here any favours with this post, no you haven't used facts, and yes it is racist.

prettybird · 16/10/2016 22:01

I came to Scotland when I was 3 (not from the EU). I was naturalised when I was 10 so therefore have had a British passport for over 40 years.

Am I allowed to have an opinion Tryingtosaveup? Am I "British" enough for you? Hmm

I voted Remain - and yes, you're right on one small respect: I am not proud of being British. Not at the moment, when being cosmopolitan is something to be derided Sad. I am however, extremely proud of being Scottish Smile.

smallfox2002 · 16/10/2016 22:14

Oh and trying to save up. I am British, but I'm very much metropolitan and internationalist, not nationalist and parochial.

Cxc78 · 16/10/2016 22:16

I love the one where kids from EU citizens are simultaneously taking places at local schools and living in a different country where the child benefit gets sent to

RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 16/10/2016 22:18

pretty

No you are only as British as someone under 40

I am more british than you as i have been british for 47 years

I assume that is the logic some people use Grin

Motheroffourdragons · 16/10/2016 22:19

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RufusTheSpartacusReindeer · 16/10/2016 22:19

cxc78

Ooh good spot...i didnt notice that

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