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Brexit

Xenophobia: Brexit official discourse

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jaws5 · 04/10/2016 21:23

Hearing one minister after another at the Tory conference today has made me feel ill: So foreign doctors are welcome UNTIL more British doctors have been trained in a hurry, foreigners will be treated as second class citizens when applying for a job, and EU nationals are one of the "main cards" in Brexit negotiations. I cannot imagine any other country in the world where the official discourse of the governing party would include these statements without it being condemned as xenophobic. Shame on them.

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MargoReadbetter · 04/10/2016 23:35

The nasty, nasty party. For the nasty, nasty people. What happens to the 48%?

GreenandWhite · 04/10/2016 23:36

rather as in disgusting.

Tippexy · 04/10/2016 23:36

I doubt very much she works 15 hours a day at a GP surgery

jaws5 · 04/10/2016 23:38

But I suspect that the vast majority of Leave voters have now moved on after their 5 minute brain activity at the referendum. I know it's a horrible thing to say but it's quite accurate, unfortunately.

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GreenandWhite · 04/10/2016 23:38

Do you now Tipp? Doubt away. Maybe you would like to have a go at a job that demands the ultimate responsibility and pays half the hours worked? Go on.

MargoReadbetter · 04/10/2016 23:39

Piscivorus - the bright and talented 18 year olds would be looking forward at years of study, debt and, if Hunt isn't stopped, forced labour. I can't see a queue forming.

MargoReadbetter · 04/10/2016 23:40

Tippexy - you might need to update yourself about the dire state of the NHS.

GreenandWhite · 04/10/2016 23:42

Tipp to clarify, do you think doctors work only during GP opening hours? What do you think GPs spend the majority of their time with? It's not Face time, unfortunately.

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2016 23:48

The hardship of the 1930s made people turn more to the Nazis as a way to save them and against the Jews. An economically disastrous credit will do what?

Germany will know this more than anyone. Ironically history puts pressure on them to not allow us to fall into economic disaster. But if they allow use to get too much then this justifies our behaviour as a nation...

GiddyOnZackHunt · 04/10/2016 23:51

Red: I know conservative voters who are disgusted by it too. This is not what they voted for.
But yes it is what they voted for. They voted for a party pledging to give the electorate that choice. The party that laughed at Gordon Brown who didn't trust the electorate with this decision.

jaws5 · 04/10/2016 23:55

Gordon Brown was probably right about the famous bigoted woman!😁

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jaws5 · 04/10/2016 23:57

That's the thing, that's populism: pandering to the bigot, the ignorant and the vile and calling it democracy!

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shouldwestayorshouldwego · 05/10/2016 00:11

Although to be fair Europe isn't doing so well on the whole xenophobia thing either . It does feel as if we are going back to 1930s across Europe. I guess the timing after the recession/ great depression is similar too.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

shouldwestayorshouldwego · 05/10/2016 00:15

Not that I am in favour of BREXIT in case my post read like that - silly decision, but can see pockets of xenophobia igniting across Europe in different directions.

Peregrina · 05/10/2016 00:21

And to think that DH nearly voted Leave because he didn't like the way the right wing were threatening to take over in E Europe. He voted Remain, reluctantly, and thinks I am being pessimistic when I talk of Fascism.

I studied history, he didn't.

MargoReadbetter · 05/10/2016 00:22

There will always be pockets of xenophobia because there are plenty of shitheads. It's when it becomes govt policy that this filth becomes truly toxic.

shouldwestayorshouldwego · 05/10/2016 00:31

Like Hungary (migrants) and France (burkini) for example?

crossroads3 · 05/10/2016 06:14

I too am shocked and scared by the things which are coming out of the Tory Conference.

As I asked on another thread - what can we do? Will write to everyone in parliament that I can think of. Have already written to my MP but that was before May started showing her true ghastly colours so need to write again. Have joined the Lib Dems. Have been on 3 marches but to be honest I don't think they achieve much.

What can we do to stop not so much Brexit now (much as I would like that) but the Tories and their awful right wing version of it.

DorothyL · 05/10/2016 06:43

How is it possible that a country that bases large parts of its national pride on winning against fascism is now going down this route?

mollie123 · 05/10/2016 06:52

just listen to yourselves and get a grip on reality.

MirabelleTree · 05/10/2016 06:57

DH and I have been drawing parallels with the 1930's for a few years now. The things that have come out this week are really scaring me now and I feel the need to do something. If it all goes horribly tits up I need to know that I tried.

I guess one of the big differences between now and the 1930's Is we have social media which is a powerful tool and in my opinion partly instrumental in the situation we are now in , in no small part. I think it's down to everyone who feels as we do to take stock and start thinking about how we too can effectively use it.

UncontrolledImmigrant · 05/10/2016 07:01

cheers for that insightful point, Mollie

GreenandWhite · 05/10/2016 07:12

"here will always be pockets of xenophobia because there are plenty of shitheads. It's when it becomes govt policy that this filth becomes truly toxic."

^ Yes.
Many moons ago I was invited to do a one off job at a Conservative party cocktail party at the HoP. Fucking hell, that was an ugly gathering. Most were over 50 grumpy looking, drinking like fish and bloody groping me and my friend (in our early 20s). The narrow mindedness and self-centredness was oozing in the room. Great building though.

IamWendy · 05/10/2016 07:28

I can't see us being a very democratic country at this time, when the conservatives have decided not to consult anyone but themselves on such a serious issue
And yet after a referendum when the people were consulted, the remainders are falling over themselves to claim it was advisory and should be ignored! Why is it OK for the government to override the majority when it's what the remainders want but not when it's what the leavers want?

MirabelleTree · 05/10/2016 07:36

The issue is Wendy that the Government have decided that anyone who voted leave voted about immigration . People I know who voted leave assure me this was not their motivating factor. The majority of Leavers I have spoken to assure me that it is because this is not what they voted for in the 70's and the younger ones I know were because they wanted to trade with the wider world and EU waste of money.

So how do their reasons suddenly turn into the position where we are being told EU doctors may be sent back when we have trained enough of our own, firms will have to publish number of foreign employees ? Where is the relationship between their reasons and the direction we are now being told Brexit will take ? That's just one issue, there are many others.

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