Xenophobia: Brexit official discourse

[jaws5]

Hearing one minister after another at the Tory conference today has made me feel ill: So foreign doctors are welcome UNTIL more British doctors have been trained in a hurry, foreigners will be treated as second class citizens when applying for a job, and EU nationals are one of the "main cards" in Brexit negotiations. I cannot imagine any other country in the world where the official discourse of the governing party would include these statements without it being condemned as xenophobic. Shame on them.

[DarlingBuddyOfMay]

Whatever small. Very small.

[smallfox2002]

Feeble? I bet you had to google who that was ;)

[DarlingBuddyOfMay]

Feeble, small, and just illustrates what populates the deeper depths of your mind.

[DarlingBuddyOfMay]

Really scared, did I say all that? Without moving my lips?

[ScaredFuture99]

dove as one of the eu 'immigrant' to want to say thank you.
It's nice to be reminded that not everyone has become anti foreigners.

[ScaredFuture99]

darling so you are saying that as long these refugees aren't managing to arrive in The U.K. That's ok. And you don't care whether it's an issue for the other con tries to deal with them.
And not do you care if this is mainly about people trying to find distant tens tubes not to find themselves completely alone in a titling foreign country

[GreenandWhite]

to small. Your posts are interesting, educated and I find them comforting as they show me there are people out there who are intelligent and see the situation for what it is.

[ScaredFuture99]

The major flaw I can see is in what you are saying is that it's only one side of the coin darling
So refugees should stay in the first country they arrive in and should never be in France. Yes that's how it should be on paper.
But What about the fact that according to the dublin treaty, the U.K. Should welcome children whose family is the uk? Except they don't and make it a very very lengthy process and these are children whose only family happen to be living in the uk? But they aren't allowed to get in.
What about sharing the load of refugees because let's face it it's impossible fur one country to deal with all the refugees coming from Syria?
What about not bombing Syria in the first place so these people don't feel the need to leave?

It's nowhere near as simple as 'they gave to be economic migrants and not refugees if they have made the decision to come to the uk. They should be happy to go anywhere'
Yep anywhere incl in refugees camps where conditions are atrocious (I'm talking health and safety and rapes there, not is it confortable).

You do realise too that the uk isn't the only country where it's nice to live? I mean Spain and Germany and France are very nice too. France has a much better be fit system in place AND they will be welcoming family members in the country unlike the uk. Etc etc
So maybe there are other reasons than just 'it's a really nice place to live' fur them to want here....

[smallfox2002]

Nope, but you are Ayn Rand and I claim my £5.

[jaws5]

We are talking about Calais, yes? So no expelling or returning is involved
Callous, keeping up with the reputation this country is earning all over the world.

[DarlingBuddyOfMay]

You are so entrenched small. Such a waste.

[DarlingBuddyOfMay]

Actions may require justification...but who are you...the thought police?

[dovesong]

Also, attitudes towards refugees in the UK are making me bitterly ashamed. We have so much and we have profited from other countries' pain to such a great extent. Not helping them is morally abhorrent.

[smallfox2002]

I'm not, I am trying to get you to justify the opinion you displayed up thread.

[dovesong]

So chilling and awful. I feel as though it's going to get even worse. And I also feel so sick and sorry about EU members who came here to live and work - I'm so sorry we let you down and made you feel unwanted and allowed this to happen.

[DarlingBuddyOfMay]

Small you are attempting to lead me. We are not evaluating the propositions. Surely you can see in which ways they differ?

[DarlingBuddyOfMay]

We are talking about Calais, yes? So no expelling or returning is involved.

[jaws5]

DarlingBuddyOfMay so you don't think we have to help refugees, that's clear. But the UK is a signatory of the UN 1951 Refugee Convention:
"No Contracting State shall expel or return ('refouler') a refugee in any manner whatsoever to the frontiers of territories where his life or freedom would be threatened on account of his race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion" (Article 33(1))"

[smallfox2002]

Really? Why do you think its different?

Why do you think we shouldn't ?

[DarlingBuddyOfMay]

Obligated to help. Different.

[smallfox2002]

I think the UK is more obligated than most to take refugees, seeing as many of them are a results of our actions in the last century. As a nation we have benefited from partitioning countries, supporting corrupt and evil dictators, helping stage coup d'etats, especially in the area in which the main bulk of refugees are now coming from.

[DarlingBuddyOfMay]

Jaws yes, but it was a legitimate question. I was trying to make the point that it's not as if UK is flouting responsibility. It is a choice whether to take genuine refugees. Yes, a loaded choice, but a choice nonetheless. Not an obligation.

[DarlingBuddyOfMay]

That was to small.

[DarlingBuddyOfMay]

whatever pleases you my dear.

[jaws5]

apart from morally, why should they be here?, I was simply asking a question

How to answer a question like that? There is only one country in the world that is exempt from any international law, international human rights, international-anything obligations and that is North Korea. You could say they are the most sovereign country in the world.