Xenophobia: Brexit official discourse

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Hearing one minister after another at the Tory conference today has made me feel ill: So foreign doctors are welcome UNTIL more British doctors have been trained in a hurry, foreigners will be treated as second class citizens when applying for a job, and EU nationals are one of the "main cards" in Brexit negotiations. I cannot imagine any other country in the world where the official discourse of the governing party would include these statements without it being condemned as xenophobic. Shame on them.

Sorry but you sound very ignorant as well as xenophobic, although the two go together usually

I see, Is that what it's all about?

WRT indigenous populations, are they also against bicycle lanes?

What about family trees? How long do they have to go back in order to count?

However a debate should accept different opinions. Well no, if your arguments are inferior i shall not accept them.

I am aghast at the opinions like those of Tryingtosaveup - which are typical of insular, narrow-minded Little Englanders.

I'd like to point out that this country is not full. This country actually needs more immigration. This country has an aging population which will not have sufficient workers, let alone skilled ones, thanks to excessive emigration over the years. This country is not over-populated. This country voted - overwhelmingly - Remain.

This country is Scotland.

You can argue that the nation UK voted - narrowly - Leave. But don't you dare claim that the "country" is full - unless you just mean England.

And for the record, I live in a highly ethnically mixed part of Glasgow - and am happy to do so.

"But that does not mean that I have to embrace immigration on the scale we have seen in the last 15-20 years."

EU immigrants make up 4 % of the population, its hardly been huge.

The areas that have had the most immigration voted overwhelmingly to remain, those with very little voted to leave. What does that tell you about the prejudcies vs reality.

Oh and the skills shortage argument? So thats every EU worker in science, building, accounting, even retail, cause they have skills we are in shortage of. EU immigration does not cause unemployment in domestic nationals.

"However a debate should accept different opinions. "

Not all opinions are equally valid.

No trying, you appeared and said that you're proud of having voted for precisely the xenophobic policies that we're discussing here.

Maybe trying is desperate to get that highly skilled EU work force so she stands a chance in this era of meritocracy.

Does anyone else see the irony in TM's meritocracy comment? It isn't meritocracy if you have to be British born to qualify.

Peregrina, I don't have to give you a reason for what I think. And I don't intend to.

If you re read my posts, you will see that I didn't ask you to. You specifically talked about jobs for people born here. I gave you a high profile example of someone who wasn't born here, and in a high profile job. You ducked the question, by answering one I hadn't asked. To me that sounded like a xenophobic response.

Love that prettybird can we go up to Scotland if we're kicked out? We're a cultured, creative, multilingual family, a real catch! 😀

Also, what's TM's stance on Putin and Russia? Has she talked about it? It's just she seems to think that EU nationals are this terrible threat, what's her stance on Putin?

Fucking help, Melanie Philips on newsnight right now. FFS

Oh and just to reiterate, EU immigration doesn't cause an increase in unemployment in UK nationals. Proven, by the BOE and UCL/LSE.

Further to this the supposed effect on wages for the lowest paid is minuscule, a 1.8% decrease for every 10 percentage point increase on immigrants working in an industry/area. Even in the highest years of immigration from the EU, EU migrants taking unskilled jobs only increased by 7 percentage points, and that was only for 2 years.

Low pay has more to do with the fallout from the banking crash.

See Trying, your opinions are iniquitous because they are based on ill thought out reasoning based on prejudice.

Not equal, not valid, not right.

What's she saying? She sounds a bit like a loony.

Talking about how the metropolitan intelligentsia are to blame, too internationalist

And "parochial" is the new cool

There was a movement a few years back in Italy encouraging immigrants to strike for one day as a protest against some laws that had been brought in by the then ruling right wing coalition. It never did take off, most were probably afraid to lose their jobs (and many were/are paid cash in hand so no rights). I seem to remember a French film on the same subject too.

The point was that the country would grind to a halt, no carers for the elderly, no labourers on building sites, no porters in hospitals, no kitchen staff in restaurants etc. Perhaps the much maligned foreigners in the UK, EU and non, should do the same. I should imagine London would come to a standstill, including in the City. How many trading ££££s would be lost, can you imagine?

pretty there has been quite a bit of immigration to Scotland from E Europe over the last 5-10 years or, are you saying that the scots are less xenophobic towards EU nationals?

Schools and hospitals would collapse too. Perhaps trying would step in and perform a few heart bypass ops., or teach a few modern language lessons at a secondary school! She's British after all!

Parochial is the new cool?

It'll never catch on in London.

Thank god! 😀

Ah but you wouldn't need the modern language lessons, because everyone should speak English only.

Innit?

Oh yes! That's obvious! I also think this is the start of the decline of English as the international language per excellence. I honestly believe that. EU are considering limiting the use of English and gradually facing it out after Brexit.

"EU are considering limiting the use of English and gradually facing it out after Brexit.' Is this true?