Xenophobia: Brexit official discourse

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Hearing one minister after another at the Tory conference today has made me feel ill: So foreign doctors are welcome UNTIL more British doctors have been trained in a hurry, foreigners will be treated as second class citizens when applying for a job, and EU nationals are one of the "main cards" in Brexit negotiations. I cannot imagine any other country in the world where the official discourse of the governing party would include these statements without it being condemned as xenophobic. Shame on them.

There have been some points made by EU officials, the Irish already have their language as an official EU language.

Yes it is true Greenandwhite. No other country has English as its official language (Ireland chose Gaelic).

David Davies said our future was from a position of strength because we had the English language the other day. Yes Really.

I've read it in a couple of places, and know that many Europeans think this should be the case after Brexit. I don't think it will ever disappear, just gradually let French followed by German/Spanish gain ground

Yes, it's no longer sufficient having English if you want to work on the continent nowadays. You need at least one other language, if not 2, all spoken to a fluent level. At least my child is bilingual, and is rapidly picking up a third language. She will definitely be in a position to compete with her polyglot peers in Europe, and will have the edge over monolinguals when looking for a job.

David Davies is a moron

I have been aware of this for a while and my children are bilingual with Spanish, fluent, and learning French.

It will stop being an official language at EU, although many politicians will use it in conversation as a common language for a while, not forever though.

European teens all speak languages and feel very comfortable being part of Europe - and proud.

The official community languages were English and French, and the Germans were miffed at the time that German wasn't one of them (a hangover from the war I think), now the UK is withdrawing German will probably edge itself in as a lot of other countries have German as a second language.

I was out with a group of friends - Italians, French, Dutch and a Croatian, and we all agreed we felt European first and our native nationalities next. Except for football tournaments, when nationalistic tendencies may be freely expressed.

Football, and the Premier league especially. Should we only allow players who were born in Britain to play in the Leagues? This might not be a bad thing, bringing on some English players for the English squad to make up for their dismal performances over the last 50 years.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2016/oct/05/akala-the-propaganda-of-british-values-is-a-distortion-of-history-video?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This is apt. What version of British values do you subscribe to?

I've come to this tread late and have read it all.
I would like to go back to the O.P's original post. Jaws called it Xenophobia - Brexit official disclosure.
Posters 'quoted' speeches at the tory party conference saying things like 'foreigners are welcome until more British Doctors are trained in a hurry'.
'Foreigners will be treated as 2nd class citizens when applying for a job'.
'Train more doctors so we don't have so many foreigners'.

Posters said things like 'unfettered hate and bile from the Tories'.
'Xenophobia unleashed by the Tory party is unbelievable' 'pandering to the bigots, ignorant and the vile'. '1930s fascism' was also alluded too.
Another poster said ' things coming out of the Tory party conference are rabid, racist and frightening'.

Well I watched much of the conference speeches and have read the transcripts of TM's, A.R's and the health sec.'s speeches and can find nowhere were they say anything to justify these comments.

As for Doctors and foreigners what was said was ' By the end of the next parliament we want to be self sufficient in doctors. Nothing at all about getting rid of foreign docs. In fact there was nothing but praise for the docs. who have come here to work but that as there is a world wide shortfall of 2m docs. we, as the 5th largest economy in the world should be able to train our own.
As for this vile woman TM. This is what she said in her speech ' I want us to be a country where it doesn't matter where you were born, who your parents are, where you went to school, what your accent sounds like, what god you worship, wither you are a man or a woman, gay or straight, black or white. All that should matter is the talent you have and how hard you're prepared to work.'
That is what she actually said not the so called xenophobic nonsense being spouted off here.

Greenandwhite - I can only presume that Scotland is indeed less xenophobic than England, given that every area - even the rural ones - voted Remain.

That is not to say that there aren't xenophobes and racists in Scotland - but at the moment the evidence is that there are fewer than in England.

As evidence, there is only one single elected UKIP representative in the whole of Scotland - to our shame, the prat UKIP Coburn squeezed in as the last on the list of Scottish MEPs.

When there was a racially motivated murder a number of years ago in the area I live, the BNP came up and tried to foment discord. The mother of the boy who was murdered told them to take a hike, that wasn't what we were. They got nowhere.

And there hasn't been the same massive spike in racist incidents since 23rd June up here.

There are 54 languages spoken at ds' school. According to the British Council, it is the most international school in the UK. I love that ds is being brought up and educated in such a vibrant, international community.

Not true Prettybird. The Scottish Borders and Dumfries and Galloway both voted leave.

Just been musing that at ds' rugby club, there have been/are youngsters from France, Spain, Italy, Georgia, Holland, Poland, Pakistan, England, Russia, Wales, Germany, South Africa, Ireland, India.... Of course, by far the majority are Scottish but all are welcome.

Two of the Italians are brothers: the older one wants to play for (and supports) Scotland, the younger one Italy.

That's the sort of Scotland I want to be part of.

Corcory - all 32 council areas in Scotland voted Remain, with the closest result being in Moray at 49.9%.

Sorry - I put that down misleadingly. Moray was 49.9% Leave, 50.1% Remain. Dumfries & Galloway was 53.1% Remain.

And now found Scottish Borders: 58.5% Remain. So your point is?

Apologies Prettybird. I had put a relation's post code into a web site which said it would show you what your area voted and it came up leave for post codes in both these areas. Maybe it was the ward they were in not the whole region.

There may well have been individual wards that voted Leave. I'd just happened to know that Moray was the closest - but even then, I managed to write it down misleadingly as the BBC graphic had Leave on the left - and I'm used to the "good" side being on the Left (But in this case, it was the "winning" side)

Corcory - what patronising bullshit. TM has been in the ruling govt for the past 6 years and in the nasty party for much longer. Wolf changing its clothes? The speeches have been as full of hate, racism and division as people fear if you care to look at their actual track record. TM has left Hunt in his job, for example, who's doing a good job of destroying the NHS and alienating doctors to leave the UK. What's TM's own record in her recent post? What was her stance on immigration? The billboards her department ran?

You don't need to be told you'll be treated as 2nd class citizen. You'll just be looked over when applying for a job as you don't fit the new anti-diversity criterion of being "homegrown". Businesses to be given "a nudge" to employ more Brits. Cos that's how much the Tories believe in meritocracy. The merit of being born out of the right Danny.

fanny, obv

By the end of the next parliament we want to be self sufficient in doctors. Nothing at all about getting rid of foreign docs.

You are being disingenuous, Corcory, and I am pretty sure that you know that. Hunt knows that there is a crisis in NHS. So why didn't he say that he would increase the places at medical school last year, as soon as he got the job? His statements need to be coupled with the other activities going at the Conference, with Amber, 'Don't call be a racist Rudd' making speeches about listing foreign workers. This is in exactly the same sort of vein as £350 million for the NHS - oh we, didn't say we would spend that, we said we could.

we, as the 5th largest economy in the world should be able to train our own. He needed to make a correction - now the 6th largest economy.