'leavers' At last we have a date for A50. March 2017 it is then.

[surferjet]

Good to have a set date.

Really?

What outlandish things? That people would be worse off? The value of the pound being low for a sustained period has guaranteed that. House prices would fall? That's happened too. That car manufacturers would leave? Well Nissan have admitted that they are stalling investment until they get guarantees from the government. That science would suffer? Projects are already going elsewhere.

Pray tell what was outlandish?

Oh and "have a go at", yeah go take a look at all these posts that tell remainers to get over it or that they are anti democracy.

Go take a look at the abuse that was handed out on here by those who must not be named prior to the vote to remainers.

Ok. So I've read every post and I'm on page 5.

Why is it good to have a set date?

Or is everyone just supposed to reply 'yes good' to the OP until the thread reaches 1000 posts?

I think the OP would struggle to even fill 1 page with 'yes goods' as there are so few people who agree with her.

And you sure won't get any sensible reason why it's good from surferjet, saying its good is the full extent of her understanding it seems.

What outlandish things? That people would be worse off? The value of the pound being low for a sustained period has guaranteed that. House prices would fall? That's happened too. That car manufacturers would leave? Well Nissan have admitted that they are stalling investment until they get guarantees from the government. That science would suffer? Projects are already going elsewhere.

They were voting remain because they fancied a campaigner.

They were voting remain as they had flipped a coin

They were voting remain as they want a dog ( yes someone did say that)

They were voting remain as they like Aldi...

I could go on

I actually campaigned for remain. All were said to me in absolute seriousness.

Neither 'camp' is a homogeneous group and yes, to stereotype people as such is stupid.

But hey you carry on having a go at half the country.

Go take a look at the abuse that was handed out on here by those who must not be named prior to the vote to remainers.

There was no abuse to leavers then?

These topics are toxic on MN and bring out the worst in people.

Anything further on why it is good?

There is a reason its good :)

We actually know what the timeline is now, there has to be some negotiation started. There is a chance that if negotiations are started, and the news positive, that the economic uncertainty which has so affected the pound ( the cost of which hasn't been felt yet) will pass.

And you sure won't get any sensible reason why it's good from surferjet, saying its good is the full extent of her understanding it seems

Over 3 months on, I really don't feel the need to justify anything to you.

My reasons for voting leave are none of your business, just like I couldn't care less what your reasons for voting remain were.

It's personal choice.

Anything further on why it is good?

The markets, as smallfox will tell you, don't like uncertainty. Having a set date is good for everyone, including desparate remainers clinging to some hope that A50 will never be triggered.
TM was always in favour of Brexit, that's bleedin' obvious.
I really don't want to sound patronising, but triggering A50 will bring 'closure' to the few remainers still struggling with the referendum result. After A50 has been triggered, recovery can begin.

surfer we had a date of 24th June according to DC before the referendum.

You are being incredibly naive if you believe March is set in stone and will give us 'closure' surfer

As for 'recovery beginning' after a50 is invoked- ha ha ha.

The full extent of the damage won't be known until after the 2 year and after the trade negotiations that can only comment at the end of the 2 years.

Only then can recovery even attempt to begin.

That's not the best way to go about not sounding patronising, surfer.

I don't understand, genuinely, what Leavers think is democratic about the PM being able to push through decisions rather than allowing them to be made by our parliament.

Last time I checked, we were living in a parliamentary democracy rather than a plebiscite (despite how May is behaving).

Can I ask Leavers for their thoughts on Nissan and Jaguar's recent statements?

I do think that if Theresa May pushes it through without going via Parliament and far from being wonderful, it all goes horribly wrong, then she will be seen to be the architect of the disaster. A Parliamentary vote would enable her to pass the buck.

triggering A50 will bring 'closure' to the few remainers still struggling with the referendum result

It has seemed to me that it's the Leavers who most crave 'closure' and 'validation'. Since June 24 there have been constant demands for congratulations and praise, and for the silencing of protest or dissent. Calls for 'healing' and 'recovery' again actually seem to mean yet more silent acceptance in which all the people should quietly resign themselves as worker ants for the (non-existent) Great Vision. Indeed, it seems that the new narrative from politicians and the media that "the people" all voted for Brexit, thus erasing some 16 million voters, is perfectly tailored to the Leavers' craving for closure and validation. From June 24, any negative consequences such as job losses or racist incidents were instantly attacked as fabrications by many Leavers.

We've seen a fair number of repellently xenophobic views expressed on these boards by certain Leavers, and yet other Leavers (who are otherwise very keen to assure us of their sheer adoration of all the world) have always managed to be too busy to post an opposing position at the time - again, seems to me this is because the most important thing is validation and closure.

And I apologise for making sweeping generalisations about Leavers. But sauce for the goose, eh?

"The markets, as smallfox will tell you, don't like uncertainty. Having a set date is good for everyone"

Look, I'm trying not to join in the chorus of those calling you clueless and ignorant but you are not helping.

Check out the GBP/USD graph, as it is at this moment. The last two red bars (heading sharply down) are the last two days, since May announced the set date.

Now, does it look like your currency has reacted favourably to the announcement of the set date for hard Brexit?

Second question: Overall, what do you see happened to your currency since referendum results were announced? (See the red cliff GBP fell off of)

Indeed and a constant calling for remainers to admit they were wrong and things like that which is totally pointless. I am more than happy to say I predicted we would stay and instead by a small margin we voted to leave. I respect that vote and we should now leave. However it is going to take ages, 10 years probably 20 years before it's all properly sorted out.

Agree with bear, elements and me

I respect that vote and we should now leave.
I've said this before on various EU threads, but I really don't get this way of thinking. We need to do what is in the best interests of the United Kingdom, including NI and Scotland, and if that means going against the vote, so be it. We (parliament?) needs to seriously consider whether it is in our interests to pursue a hard Brexit, which is what we're now told 'the people' voted for, despite lots of leave voters supporting free movement and access to the single market.
What percentage of people voted for hard Brexit? Nobody knows. But that's what we're getting. It's ludicrous. No wonder the world - except for Trump, Putin, LePen etc - are pissing themselves laughing at us.

EXACTLY, Gideon. And yes, Parliament needs to be allowed to seriously consider all forms of Brexit. Otherwise why are we a parliamentary democracy? (sorry, I know I'm a broken record on this subject, but it's vitally important and yet seems to be getting brushed under the carpet by May.)

I really dislike this superior attitude that some Remain voters have.

You are mistaken if you think I voted remain. I didn't get to vote at all, but my future is now in total turmoil thanks to those who voted leave. Thanks so much.

twofingerstoGideon I totally agree, now let's see how we are accused of being undemocratic...

I think the whole thing about us going for a hard Brexit is not what TM said. She said something along the lines of getting the right deal for the UK. I suspect that she is keeping her cards very close to her chest other wise how on earth will she be able to negotiate the best deal for us.

What do you think she said then, Corcory?
Independent article
Spectator blog
New Statesman
Financial Times
It's certainly how the media is interpreting what she said at conference.

Smallfox
”We actually know what the timeline is now, there has to be some negotiation started.”
I’m not sure that I understand your point. Are you saying negotications have started or that they may start?

You then go on to say: There is a chance that if negotiations are started, and the news positive, that the economic uncertainty which has so affected the pound ( the cost of which hasn't been felt yet) will pass.
So to continue with your own logic, there is also ”a chance” that the news from negotiations will not be positive? And the economic uncertainty (which has trashed the pound) will not pass?

Surferjet
”The markets, as smallfox will tell you, don't like uncertainty.” I agree, just look at the graph CoteDAzur has posted. I have personally lost a lot of money as a result of the crashing pound. And the business that I work for has been hugely adversely affected.
”Having a set date is good for everyone,…” this still doesn’t explain why – and if it is to do with the markets per your previous sentence, why is the pound still on its knees?

…”including desparate [sp] remainers clinging to some hope that A50 will never be triggered.” I’m unclear how the desperate ones in the remain camp will feel better once all hope is lost. Why would that be?

”TM was always in favour of Brexit, that's bleedin' obvious.” Ok…. It was not obvious to me but I’ll not ask why as it will derail the point of your OP.

”I really don't want to sound patronising, but triggering A50 will bring 'closure' to the few remainers still struggling with the referendum result.” As a Leaver, can you be so sure? If all hope was gone after you had struggled with the result on such a major issue would you just be able to move on? Why is closure for remainers a good thing? Will it alleviate their greatest concerns?

”After A50 has been triggered, recovery can begin.” I’m afraid this begs the question recovery from what? Because A50 is the 1st step of a 2 year timetable for us to exit the EU, the trade bloc, the passporting of City trades, the free movement of people for work and holiday, etc. How is it possible to recover from something that has not yet happened?