Project Fear were wrong all along?

[MrsPeterParker]

With all the newspapers and economic reports screaming there is no/ only positive impact of brexit so far, do you think the Remainers were all wrong and needlessly projecting doomsday scenarios ?

There's no point in engaging with you because you can't answer questions that have been asked of you.

You are brushing much more aside than I am.

Are you going to attempt to justify where any of your saved money is coming from?

I suspect not.

OK so don't. Your'e the ones who want to keep on having a big old argument about it.

I think the fascist remark came from the fact that you accused others of aligning themselves with the big banks for voting to remain, but if you voted to leave you aligned yourself with Britain First, the EDL, the BNP and other far right groups.

It could be the company you keep.

But the accusation comes from someone who actually wants to overturn a democratic vote. Where their own act would have more of a fascist, or totalitarian impact.

Do you see what I'm getting at? Fascists through history have said - democracy's fine, so long as it serves my needs. After that, not so much. Do you see how continuing Remain campaign echoes that instinct?

I mean, I take it that - if you think I'm a fascist because Nigel Farage agrees with me, that means you accept you have the same self-aggrandising, exploitative values as the global banking elite ? I mean I would have assumed you would deplore those values but maybe I'm wrong.

Not so. You made an accusation based on a sweeping generalisation, others did it back to you to show that your argument was flawed.

And whilst we're on the subject of democracy, it is part of democracy that things can be challenged. The difference in the two halves of the vote was marginal, it wasn't an overwhelming mandate. Claiming it is so, and forcing it through using Royal prerogative without consultation of Parliament means that nearly half of the population are not having their voice heard, or taken into consideration when the course of action is being decided.

Not democratic.

Just a question, do you know which other European leader was once a big fan of referendums to show he had the backing of the "people"?

what's not so? Which bit? The bit where you don't want us to leave the EU despite a democratic vote? That bit?

Or the bit where you acknowledge you have the same global, self-aggrandising values as the global banking elite?

"Fascists through history have said - democracy's fine, so long as it serves my needs"

The irony that you can't see the fact that pushing Brexit through using Royal perogative, without parliamentary debate and votes on the direction it could take, is staggering.

Democracy is certainly only Ok when it suits your needs, even Farage said that a small majority in favour of remain would leave unfinished business.

You think MPs should overturn the will of the people?

Remainers believe Tories promised a referendum to win the election and stop the drain to UKIP - and they did indeed win the election - so that's a secondary level of support to the Brexit result.

Obviously that's not something that bothers you. And talk of a margin is silly really - you know very well that a similar margin the other way would have been Trebles All Round to you, so it's hardly a confounding factor.

"Or the bit where you acknowledge you have the same global, self-aggrandising values as the global banking elite?"

Ha.

Or the same values as the majority off small businesses in the UK as the CBI and BCC wanted to stay too, or University leaders, or most health professionals, or most trade unions, or the car makers?

See you only choose to highlight the fact that the Bankers baked remaining because you think it proves a point. It doesn't, it does show that your own arguments are very weak though.

No I'm afraid small businesses weren't on your side. The CBI and BCC are in bed with the rest of the corporate troughers who see people as property and not human beings. University leaders are super-charged, champagne quaffing, elite EU troughers, and I really wouldn't quote trade unions at me. Car-makers have demonstrated confidence in the UK since Brexit.

"know very well that a similar margin the other way would have been Trebles All Round to you, so it's hardly a confounding factor."

Except that the leaders of the leave campaign said that there would be unfinished business if it was a small majority, as it would show that there wasn't an overwhelming mandate.

But when it goes for the leave vote suddenly it is "overwhelming" and yes that's a quote because it keeps being said by ministers. It wasn't, it isn't, and therefore it needs to be debated.

Parliament may not overturn the vote, but it may ensure that the opinions and concerns of those who voted remain were listened to and the direction taken shaped in a different way than it is being now.

"No I'm afraid small businesses weren't on your side"

Ah they were, you just don't want to admit it.

Car makers have expressed faith??? Go look at what Nissan have just asked the government for. Look at what the SSMT say.

Confirm your bias all the way by all means but please don't come and present things as facts.

The BBC and the CBI represent a huge majority of British small business, they wanted to remain.

Everyone who voted to remain to you is somehow tainted or flawed?

Of course dear, time for a tin foil hat?

Ok WinchesterWomen, since you're keen to make this all about whose side you're on. How do you feel about being on the side of Britain First, Front National, Putin, Trump, Isis?

Er - it doesn't matter if the leaders of the leave campaign would have complained. (I wouldn't have). What matters is that YOU are quoting a narrow merging therefore in order not to be a hypocrite you would have to accept that a YOU would complain if a similar margin voted to remain. Folding money you wouldn't. So the margin argument is silly.

Small businesses were not, actually.

29 Sept

Following the UK's vote for Brexit, Japanese car manufacturer Honda has reaffirmed its commitment to the UK as a major manufacturing base, and says that Swindon-built Honda Civics would continue to be exported globally. Speaking to the BBC's Theo Leggett at the Paris Motor Show, Honda's general manager for Europe, Jean Marc Streng, said the firm wanted "a fast decision" on Brexit.

Small businesses were, actually, which organisations that represent them didn't back remain? Are their memberships bigger than the CBI and BCC combined?

And a mandate for the hard brexit we seem to be going for was certainly not won.

We would have had to accept persistent challenges to the EU status if we'd had such a narrow margin for remain, in fact it would be far more likely to result in a second referendum.

This "put up and shut up" stance is a show of your respect for democracy

The FSB really represents small businesses in the UK. It was neutral, because so many of its members wanted to leave, but its leaders didn't like that stance, so they did the next best thing.

The hypocrisy here

This "put up and shut up" stance is a show of your respect for democracy

is breathtaking.

Ah, you don't understand the arguments.

The FSB has less members than the CBI and the BCC who both represent small businesses.

Well i have to walk the dog and go to bed early due to an early start. Insert further insults, hypocrisy and empty arguments below this line.

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Absolutely not.

In no way is it hypocritical to suggest that a referendum, intended to advise parliament ( and set out so in statute) needs further debate before being acted upon. You know from our democratically elected and sovereign parliament.

You are certainly hypocritical.