LEAVERS - update on the 'invoke A50 now' petition. I have the reply.

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The British people have voted to leave the EU and their will must be respected and delivered. We should not trigger Article 50 until we have a UK approach and objectives.

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As trite as Brexit means Brexit.

Sooner or later TM is going to have to say, I don't care about [whatever she decides]. Let's say she chooses NI and Gibraltar to ignore. The hard Brexiters want the whole world to come rushing to do deals with us. Aren't they going to say, 'Hang on, this is a country that ignores international treaties, what makes us think they will respect our treaty with them?

She's already made the Chinese lose face over Hinkley Point - she could so easily have told them a few weeks earlier that being new in post, she needed to review the details first, instead of waiting until they were ready to sign.

Leave voters such as corcory and surfer genuinely don't think they had any responsibility other than voting Yes or No

Yes, and the extraordinary thing is they think they can vote for one concern (FOM) in multifactoral issue, and simply ignore the rest of the picture.

I'd never heard of corcory before this thread, in fact, even on here I don't think I've spoken to her? what she wants from Brexit could be totally different to what I want.

But your one common ground is not liking FOM.

And not having a clue beyond that...

Or really having any reasons why...

I'd never heard of corcory before this thread, in fact, even on here I don't think I've spoken to her? what she wants from Brexit could be totally different to what I want

And don't you see that that is entirely the problem.

Nearly a thousand posts on and neither of you had said what exactly you do fucking want.

I despair.

Seen the thread on Northern Ireland and Brexit? The Leavers' response is basically pig-ignorance .

I know sapphire-

The house analogy has been widely used but it is so apt.

Remainers are condemned for not foreseeing the potential problems and not having a plan but the reality is, we did see them.

We did realise burning our house down was a really bad idea so we choose not to.

We opted to keep our current house and maybe extend/ remodel in the future.

We werent so fucking ignorant, stupid and naive to thinking burning the house down, with no insurance, no idea where we'll live in the mean time, no idea where our kids will go to school, no idea if what we'll eventually live in will be better than our old house and the real kicker- it's not even us who'll decide what happens with the new house.

Fuckers!

We are not allowed to call anyone ignorant. Even if they display levels of monumental ignorance about their own country's proud history.

It doesn't count if its not on the 'mainland'. They are different over there, and they can unite with the rest of Ireland or decide to come along with us.

Problem solved.

And we wonder why there's all this xenophobia....

I honestly can't remember NI being mentioned at all by either camp in the run up to the referendum - certainly not where I am ( London )

It was mentioned, but not as prominently as others.

Is that comment supposed to be some kind of defence surfer?

By voting to jump of a cliff you had a duty to investigate the repercussions?

You and an awful lot of others chose to abidicate that responsibility.

But apparently Brexiters did loads and loads of their own research and weren't just swayed by headlines and leaflets.

Funny that they can't point to any of hat evidence here.

NI didn't enter my head when voting leave no. But if it wasn't a priority with leave/remain campaigners that's hardly surprising.

I can remember NI being discussed and it was that issue which was the final clincher for me. However, I don't think it was given enough prominence, for which the Remain camp and one David Cameron and chums must bear some responsibility.

Mind you, had there been more publicity - what publicity could have got the message across? How is Peace shown? Violence is easier to illustrate but had the Remain camp used pictures of IRA bombings they would have been accused of Project Fear in spades.

In fact, I have just had a thought about the article I read this morning about John Hersey's book on Hiroshima , detailing the effect of the Bomb on a number of ordinary people - a work similar to that might have got the message across.

It was discussed in several areas.

Problem with now saying it wasn't a major issue is that it had been highlighted, but dismissed flippantly.

One of the major flaws of the entire campaign is that remain spent so much time responding to the untruths peddled by leave that some of the more serious issues got pushed aside.

Good tactic that, lie outrageously to get people to ignore the truth.

Since you are back surferjet, would you like to answer my question posed at 17:42?

I can tell you that real life friends that I posed this question to felt a bit sick, a bit stupid and worried.

Does NI really have to be 'mentioned' for it to be an obvious factor? Can't people figure it out for themselves?

I was a Remainer on every conceivable issue, but hard borders in NI and fucking up the GFI is a no brainer surely?

It was mentioned, it just wasn't a catchy slogan, so surfer probably missed it.

Yup, Remain's campaign was pathetic - I threw the Govt booklet out, it was so thin on detail. Perhaps we should have had a red bus with a picture of a sewage covered beach on one side and a nice clean Blue Flag beach on the other with 'Thanks EU'.

Does it bother you that so many leave promises were shown to be false, and that others were reneged on within hours?

No. Because I didn't trust a word the remain campaigners were saying either.

So you didn't think it was a risk to the economy? Or that the pound would crash?

How's that doing for you now?

Yet you trusted the Leave campaigners.